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A senior rat leads the charge generated by klintinoids in the Pentagon and statists at DOJ to make possible using the armed forces to arrest (and incarcerate?) US citizens. Meanwhile note the ofuscatory rhetoric about how using the armed forces in defense of our borders necessitates such a change. How many soldiers do you think would ever be sent to the Az-Mex border versus how many used to control citizen activities in say Idaho. How long, especially if the rats get the White House, until the need for in-camera trials for native born US citizens accused of "certain classes of crimes" (hint 'hate crimes' will be considered acts of terrorism and the definition of hate crime will be expanded beyond yor wildest dream) will be determined to be a buring necessity in the perpetual war on 'terrorism'.
1 posted on 07/22/2002 6:37:23 AM PDT by robowombat
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I lurk on DU at times to see what the other side says. The libs who post there are just as afraid of this as conservatives. I don't get it. Why do people here hate the idea (including me), and the libs at DU hate the idea, yet the pols still keep pushing for it.

BTW, I never liked Ridge. He seems like a dumb, empty suit.
82 posted on 07/22/2002 1:18:57 PM PDT by jjm2111
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Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr.,... said the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which prevents the military from exercising police powers in this country, should be re-examined and "has to be amended."

What needs to be "re-examined" is our definition of foreign terrorism as a crime. It is not. It is an act of war. It is thus already the responsibility of the military to deal with foreign terrorists. They do not need police powers to do this. The Posse Comitatus Act does not need to be changed.

Civilian law enforcement has no business fighting foreign terrorism. This new "Department of Homeland Security" is unnecessary. The job that they are tasked with is already a DOD function. The idea that we should track down foreign terrorists and put them on trial is ludicrous. They should be attacked and destroyed, just as any other hostile force would be during time of war. Gathering evidence to make a case in court runs counter to that and places the public at risk.

Quite simply, foreigners here suspected of terrorism should be fair game for the military. We need to recognize that these individuals do not have criminal rights under the Constitution as "home-grown" terrorists would. (And it is already the responsibility of domestic law enforcement to catch and try domestic terrorists; another function the "Homeland Security" department is not needed for.) They have no right to a fair trial, nor to freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, nor to due process. Foreign terrorists should be treated as invaders and dealt with in the same manner that regular troops invading our soil would be. Were China to start landing troops on Malibu Beach, would we start swearing out arrest warrants!? Of course not. We'd call in air strikes, not lawyers. Why are terrorists treated differently?

Since foreign terrorism isn't a law enforcement problem, the Posse Comitatus Act is irrelevant to the discussion.

87 posted on 07/22/2002 5:32:13 PM PDT by Redcloak
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