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JPEG guardians vow to defend free images
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| July 19, 2002
| Andrew Orlowski
Posted on 07/19/2002 9:35:44 PM PDT by JameRetief
Posted: 07/19/2002 at 20:11 EST
Yesterday, we
broke the story that an obscure Texan video conferencing company is seeking royalties from a patent it acquired five years ago. With the help of a gold-bricking law firm, it wants to collect back royalties from every client device manufacturer which might possibly ever be in receipt of a transmitted JPEG image, and this includes digital cameras, PDAs, phones, scanners and of course, web browsers.
As we disclosed, Sony has already paid $15 million for the right to use Forgent's patent. Perhaps "broke the story " isn't the right phrase - it was sitting around for a week before we noticed, and since we published the story, there's been a right righteous hullabaloo at
Slashdot (which in an Intellectual Property landgrab of its own, claimed the scoop for itself after reading
The Register - doh!) and at other fine sites. And that in itself is worrying - the free software community's early warning system is as poky as the CIA's Arabic intelligence department. That's a cause for concern in itself.
But the JPEG ('Joint Photographic Experts Group') committee which oversees the standard is confident that it can fend off Forgent's speculative IP grab. And just in case it's going to launch a website which gathers examples of prior art. Prior art can demolish the cockiest patent claims. You can read this call to arms
here.
And a new forum has arisen, to aggregate news stories and discussion on this important topic, at
Burn All JPEGs, thanks to Al Pope.
For the record, Forgent Networks still hasn't returned our call. The one that started this hullabaloo. ®
Related Story JPEGs are not free: Patent holder pursues IP grab
TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: challenges; costs; jpeg; patent
To: JameRetief
Sometimes I find myself longing for the days when those who deserved it could be run out on a rail. This seems like such a case.
JPEGs have been in use for many many years. I first encountered them back in the days when I had my 386 with a VGA whose top resolution in 256-color mode was 640x400 (yes, 400) and even that was S-L-O-W. I don't remember exactly when I got my 486 and VLB card, but it was probably 1992 or 1993. For someone to attempt a retroactive patent claim nearly (if not more than) a decade later is a gross abuse of the patent system.
I wish there were some way to give such people what they really deserve.
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posted on
07/19/2002 9:56:43 PM PDT
by
supercat
To: supercat
While I have no problem with patents and intellectual property, I DO have to take issue with what they are doing in this case - it smacks of dishonesty. When something is in the public domain (which, technically, JPEG has been, in practice for several years), and a company has a patent on it, it seems that they merely waited until everyone was using it before they began enforcement. It's dishonest, and what I consider to be fraudulent... but maybe it's just me... I hope they get smacked down...
To: Chad Fairbanks
When the second company purchased the first company, the second company viewed the patent as an asset. The new owner of the asset is seeking compensation. The mere fact that the first company did not seek to license the patent does not diminish the value of the asset. Good, bad, or indifferent, this is the way it plays.
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posted on
07/19/2002 10:28:21 PM PDT
by
rit
To: rit
Here's a concept expressed by another, whom I happen to agree with, at least on this issue...
"Actually, there is precedent for overturning the patent. If I let you walk accross my back yard and do not stop you, you assume from my behavior that it is ok with me. Assume that I have let you walk accross my back yard for the past 15 years and there is a well worn path now. Hundreds of people use that path every day and finally I get tired of being a nice guy. Too bad, I have let the situation go to long and there is an easement under the law there. It is called a trodden path and is the same as a sidewalk.
If I don't want you walking in my back yard, I have to stop you within a reasonable amount of time and cannot wait until the path becomes a well worn and commonly accepted walkway.
It seems like the same principle will kill this patent. They did not act within a reasonable time to mitigate the damages done to other companies who used the patent."
Not to mention that IBM appears to have patented the same thing a few weeks earlier, but the idiots at the patent office had no clue that they granted a second patent on the same thing - which, oddly enough, shows the problems with patenting software algorithms, but that's a discussion for another day :0)
To: supercat
VLB?? Smokin speed!!
To: JameRetief
The fundamental rule of the patent system is this: You can patent anything you can get away with patenting. I have worked in companies where intellectual property is a big issue and the patent lawyers occasionally give us engineers talks on basic patent law. Usually these talks consist of horror stories about cases where prior art has been successfully patented. The most outrageous I have seen was a patent on the concept of "testing". And a co-worker once got a patent on something that (as I tried to point out to him) was a watered-down version of a classic paper that appeared (I think) in an ACM journal.
This is especially a problem in the software area because of lack of expertise on the part of the examiners in the patent office.
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posted on
07/19/2002 11:47:36 PM PDT
by
snarkpup
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To: supercat
Sometimes I find myself longing for the days when those who deserved it could be run out on a rail. This seems like such a case.Sometimes?
To: Chad Fairbanks
Here's a concept expressed by another, whom I happen to agree with, at least on this issue... Perhaps the confusion lies in trademark assertions, but, has nothing to do with patents. With respect to IBMs patented algorithm, that would have to be investigated.
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posted on
07/20/2002 7:32:08 PM PDT
by
rit
To: rit
Could be... however, I do know that Compression Labs (the company that originally patented a portion of the JPEG work) was part of JPEG early on, and gave the JPEG group the rights to use the patented technology without restriction or royalties... then nearly a decade later they are bought. The new company (Forgent) carries on the status quo for a few years, until they begin running out of money... They decide they have a cash-cow available after their patent lawyers decide they do have patent on a portion of JPEG (I still think FOrgent's patent has to do with multi-frame images, not JPEG, but I'm not one of Forgent's lawyers,so what do I know?), and this is what happens... I think Prior Art can be shown in this case, and it will get tossed out if it goes to court.
Meanwhile, JPEG 2000 is underway (which does not use the Forgent patent), and Forgent will wind up as well-loved as Unisys. I wouldn't be surprised to see the market take care of Forgent. This is one case where they had enough rope to shoot themselves in the foot, and they did... :0)
To: snarkpup
I'm thinking of applying for a patent on "the concept of patenting ideas"... man, I can't wait to sit back and watch the money roll in... ;0)
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To: LindaSOG
Ouch...
When I bought my house, there was a "well-worn" path that ran through my yard... I couldn't block it off legally because the prior owners didn't enforce yada yada yada. However, the law never said I had to maintain it, like the foolish prior owner did, and I just let the blackberry bushes get out of control... now, 6 years later, there is no path, and now there's no one in my yard :0)
Comment #15 Removed by Moderator
To: LindaSOG
Yeah it does... my theory is, "Big, thorny bushes make for good neighbors" :0)
To: JameRetief
"Yesterday, we broke the story. . ." This story was broken on FreeRepulic A MONTH AGO!
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