Sex assault suspect beaten in jail

WVEC TV ^ | 19 July 2002

[Constitutions Grandchild]

If what you say is true, then there is hope for redemption. I have said for years, I thought that was an urban myth. With the depths to which society has sunk (how's that grammar???)I didn't believe a child molester would be thought of as anything out of the ordinary among other inmates. I'm starting to feel better. I was really bummed out about Samantha. Brought up painful memories of loss in our family and an even more horrific case here in St. Louis. I've been mentally grinding away on the memories all week. (Big Sigh) You have restored my faith in humanity.

[Burkeman1]

A double murderer- a man who shot down 2 people during a hold up- killed Dahmer and another Child murderer with a sharpened broom stick while on bathroom cleanup detail. He had a life sentance and had already served 15 years. When he was brought to trial he was cheered for his murders by the bystanders outside the courthouse. To this day he says he never did a more right act in his life and he is proud of those killings.

[OzPrisonGuard]

If you think our hard-earned money pays for welfare recipients, our tax dollars go more towards the prisons where the scum of the earth are housed, clothed, and fed at our expense, $40,000+/yr per inmate, $1.2M/yr per death row inmate.

Anyways I feel we should avoid all the food and clothing nonsense for these termites and have public executions for child killers like the b-----d who killed poor Samantha Runnion. That way other dregs, perverts, and whatnots think twice before doing something. Also here's what the inmates oughtta do to the guy anyway (and yes, the Aryans from Oz literally nailed the child molester to the floor).

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[Slyfox]

Below this group are the child killers and rapists. In prison culture they cannot be tolerated and are always segregated from general population because they will be killed.

We should push for maximum integration in prison.

[snodog1]

Had the guards somehow recognized that a witchhunt was in progress they might not have allowed Roberson to be beaten up. But to them he was just another scum accused child molester so they allowed an arbitrary punishment to precede the trial -- and an unlawful punishment was imposed on an innocent man.

I know correctional officers are some of the smartest and intuitive members of law enforcement, but now you want them to be claivoyant as well? I'm sure you have heard the saying Sh!t happens. Well in prison or jail really bad sh!t happens, sometimes all day long.

The lynch mob is so much more satisying emotionally... but it's still nothing more than pure unadulterated and unrestrained democracy: it's a mob.

I never thought of prison violence in those terms, "unrestrained democracy". That's not what it is. There is no "mob" mentality at work, some nefarious sub-culture within the prison system that preys on sexual preditors. Convicts in general are not that sophisticated. There are however rules to live with, and in some cases to "actually remain alive" within the prison environment.

Sexual crimes against children are considered to be the lowest form of crime. Those convicted of the most heinous crimes agree that a child is an innocent, and is protected even by the worst in our society. It has nothing to do with "mob mentallity" or "pure unadulterated and unrestrained democracy", it has to do with morality, ethics and society, a society where only the strong survive, and the strongest are the most violent.

Child molesters, or "chesters", (as in "chester the molester") are considered weak because they prey upon the weakest of society and they will in turn become the prey, convicted or not.

Don't take the easy way out and blame the guards/correctional staff because a chester got his butt kicked.

You are participating in the highest rung in our free society, the freedom of speach. Much like the murderer in prison you have reached the pinicle of society. In our society it is law enforcement, and the weakest among them are the prison guards.

Did it ever occure to you that Mr. Roberson ONLY got his butt kicked and wasn't murdered-because of the jail/prison staff?

[Eala]

I know correctional officers are some of the smartest and intuitive members of law enforcement, but now you want them to be claivoyant as well?

It sounds like you're saying what the guards did was just fine. As I recall, a jury did not agree and awarded Roberson monies, perhaps as a penalty for their lack of clairvoyance.

>The lynch mob...
I never thought of prison violence in those terms...

No, I was referring to actual lynch mobs. Strange fruit. Punishment imposed outside of (prior to) the protections (such as they are) provided by legal procedures.

You are correct, bad things happen in jail and prison, all the time. And sometimes the, er, recipient deserves it. Nobody mourned when that crazy cannibal (I forget his name, Dahmer?) was murdered in prison, for example.

But it's a bit discomfiting to hear those who one expects to lead with their heads (the conservative says: "I think that...") instead of their emotions (the liberal says: "I feel that...") do exactly the opposite.

[snodog1]

It sounds like you're saying what the guards did was just fine. As I recall, a jury did not agree and awarded Roberson monies, perhaps as a penalty for their lack of clairvoyance.

I guess I didn't make my self clear, if the guards were involved in any way, either by direct action, or indirect action (indiference)then they were wrong, and as you state a jury awarded monies to MR. Roberson because of the actions/inaction of guards

But what you said is...Had the guards somehow recognized that a witchhunt was in progress they might not have allowed Roberson to be beaten up.

I could say, had the Wright bros. somehow recognized that airplanes would be used as weapons they might not have gone to Kitty Hawk.

But it's a bit discomfiting to hear those who one expects to lead with their heads (the conservative says: "I think that...") instead of their emotions (the liberal says: "I feel that...") do exactly the opposite.

I hope that wasn't directed at me, I think, no, I feel like I might cry, oh damn that Rush Limbaugh!

[matrix]

"I know correctional officers are some of the smartest and intuitive members of law enforcement, but now you want them to be claivoyant as well? I'm sure you have heard the saying Sh!t happens. Well in prison or jail really bad sh!t happens, sometimes all day long."

Have you ever known any co's? As a lot, they are the stupidest, most cruel, and slimy part of a prison.They are a lower lifeform than the prisoners! Ever work in a prison? I have.

[snodog1]

Have you ever known any co's? As a lot, they are the stupidest, most cruel, and slimy part of a prison.They are a lower lifeform than the prisoners! Ever work in a prison? I have.

I know several co's, they are a fine lot. Some of the best people I have ever had the pleasure to know.

Even lower than Richard Allen Davis the murder of Pualie Klass, that's pretty low. I didn't know.

What you are saying is that you would prefer Alejandro Avila baby sit your daughter then have her watched by a correctional officer.

I didn't know correctional officers where held in such low re-guards, (excuse the pun) by the public.

Soledad 93-98.

Working the steam line in the dinning hall doesn't qualify for "working" in a prison.

[Hacksaw]

Now the ACLU will sue the jail for failing to protect the molester's "civil liberties".

[Hacksaw]

Molesting and or killing children goes beyond the pale. They will not suffer to be around such a monster and will kill him.

I've always wondered if the people who took out Dahmer in jail were paid to do it. There seemed to be little investigation surrounding it, and Dahmer certainly had enough enemies to give them the motive to put out a contract on him.

[Hacksaw]

The sick individuals in the system were attempting to further their careers on the lies they convinced these kids to agree to or "describe" after being effectively "coached".

Yes, that was horrible. It was bad for the people framed, and it was bad for kids who really do get molested. I am the biggest law and order "lock 'em up and throw away the key" guy, but I fear some of these prosecutors who look on the guilty verdict as the goal regardless of the evidence.

[Eala]

I hope that wasn't directed at me, I think, no, I feel like I might cry, oh damn that Rush Limbaugh!

There, there. :-) LOL. No, it wasn't.

[SSN558]

When the law does not do it's job, rough justice fills the void. Isn't this a great country ?

[WIladyconservative]

"He's my brother, I love him ... but he needs help. He's a sick man."

How come they are only sick when they get caught? Sickness is a condition - EVIL is a behavior. These men are EVIL!

[matrix]

Churchill once said, "If you want to see the scum of the earth, visit a prison at the changing of the guard."

I agree.

BTW, I worked with both prisoners and guards. I was afraid of the guards! Moreover, not that it matters, I was a Federal Prosecutor for 21 years.

[snodog1]

BTW, I worked with both prisoners and guards. I was afraid of the guards! Moreover, not that it matters, I was a Federal Prosecutor for 21 years.

Isn't it amazing how even the most learned of society can be fooled into believing that a subset of civilization just by association,(either real or contrived)can become an over powering, sometimes brutal, and oft times cruel institution.

Don't take me wrong, there are Correctional Officers out there that are the epitome of the stereotypical CO. Knuckle draggin' neanderthals, is my favorite description.

As a lot Correctional Officers do nothing more than a job, a job most people, by the way would never do. We are not in "customer service", trying to be nice. At best, we treat everyone the same, with empathy, and understanding. Sometimes we fail.

I am sure that at times prosecutors fail. Probably more often, in the eyes of victims, than you would like to admit, but you continue on. So does the Correctional Officer.

Here is something for you to ponder, in all your 21 years of working with inmates, and "guards", did you ever think you would yell "inmate, I'm a Prosecutor, help me!"? Or did you just waltz into the prison knowing that those you depise so much would do anything possible to get you out alive, even die to save your life?

To me you are nothing more than a crack whore, going in to my house. I don't care if you carry a big brief case, a badge, or the tittle of U.S. Prosecutor. You're all trouble. Everytime that gate opens, and lets someone known/unknown inside, my life is at risk.

Sorry if we are not more personable.

[Greg Weston]

You make some excellent points Eala. I haven't heard the evidence against this Rainey guy. I assume no one else who has posted here does either. To celebrate his being assauted without any knowledge of what happened here is stupid, lynch mob behavior. Period.

[KneelBeforeZod]

if not the other residents, the guards will beat you down in jail.

[danmar]

I have heard that this sometimes happens when child molesters go to jail in the general population.

You heard it right, Joe...there is such a thing "inmate code of honor" were by crimes of any kind involving little kids, are seen as a shame upon one's criminal activities.
Believe it or not even the criminals have a code of "ethics" of sort, were little kids involved is absolutely a no-no. Also kiling one ought to be a certain way, not a la Jeffrey Dahmer(that's why he got killed in the prison, because he was out of line in his killings).Strange but all of this is true...

As to for this guy who killed little Samantha, he WILL be dead the moment he sets a foot in any prison, period. Mark my word, the courts will have an easy job on this...HE is a dead man one way or another and that is a promise. It is a just a matter af time 'til that happens'