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NASA Discovers 'Motorway' Network Between Planets
Ananova ^ | 7-18-2002

Posted on 07/18/2002 4:13:04 PM PDT by blam

Nasa discovers 'motorway' network between planets

Nasa says an interplanetary superhighway discovered by one of its engineers will make space travel simpler.

The solar system 'motorway' is a virtual network of winding tunnels and channels around the Sun and planets.

Each planet and moon has five locations in space called Lagrange points, where one body's gravity balances another. Spacecraft can orbit at those points while burning little fuel.

He came up with the superhighway by mapping out all the possible flight paths among the Lagrange points to see how fast or slow the spacecraft would travel.

Experts say the superhighway flight path will drastically cut the amount of fuel needed for future missions.

Nasa hopes to use the system for future human space missions by building spacecraft docking and repair platforms around the Lagrange points.

The system was discovered by Nasa Jet Propulsion Laboratory engineer Martin Lo.

He's using the theory to draw up a flight path for the Genesis Sun probe and plans to map out a superhighway for the entire solar system.

Mr Lo told the Nasa website: "Designing the Genesis spacecraft's flight path with traditional methods used to take eight weeks - now we design a new flight path in less than a day.

"The savings on fuel translates into a better and cheaper mission."

Story filed: 11:30 Thursday 18th July 2002


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gegenschein; motorway; nasa; network; planets; space
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To: blam
The system was discovered by Nasa Jet Propulsion Laboratory engineer Martin Lo.

"You take the high road and I'll take the Lo road, and I'll get to Saturn befooooore ye!"

41 posted on 07/18/2002 5:00:49 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
http://www.genesismission.org/people/lo/lointerview.html
42 posted on 07/18/2002 5:01:39 PM PDT by 68 grunt
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To: RightWhale
Basically true. Something extra is needed.

Apparently L4 and L5 type Lagrange points, the kind that occur 60 degrees before and after an orbiting planet on the orbital path, act like virtual masses. They can capture junk and hold it without any extra lucky inertia-robbing collisions.

43 posted on 07/18/2002 5:06:29 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
See post 32. The L4 and L5 type of points act as a "virtual mass" attracting objects. You have to work out Lagrange's math to see the "why." If you do, you can explain it to me in layman's terms

im trying, but it's escaping me. what's stumping me is the 60 degree thing. it would seem that a more massive planet would generate a L point at a farther distance along the orbital path. I wonder if Lagrange is assuming that the two bodies are the same mass?but now, I might be mistaken, a hmm hmm hmm!

44 posted on 07/18/2002 5:07:28 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: blam
JPL trajectory expert Martin Lo claims to have developed a technique that would allow the Orbiter, once it brakes itself into orbit around Jupiter, to maneuver itself into orbit around Europa using "gravitational fuzzy boundaries" and "Lagrange effects" -- which have already been used to put Japan's Hiten spacecraft into orbit around the Moon with a very small fuel expenditure, and which Lo claims would so drastically cut the mission's total fuel needs that its dry weight could be increased by about 30 percent.

The Jupiter-Lo method has been dubbed "J-Lo". Its use of "gravitational fuzzy boundaries" has been acclaimed as a pioneering application of fuzzy math, and will short-cut the Middle East peace process and formation of boundaries of the proposed Palestinian state from "billions and billions of eons" to "how will we fill the rest of the time till lunch?"

45 posted on 07/18/2002 5:07:38 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: TeleStraightShooter
But what causes the junk to stop?

The combined pull of, say, the sun and Jupiter will create two regions of attraction at points ahead of and behind Jupiter (or any other planet) which can capture mass. Lagrange worked out the math. He has the details if you can dig him up.

46 posted on 07/18/2002 5:09:51 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
act like virtual masses

Yes, they do, L4 and L5. Objects in there have elongated, kidney-bean shaped orbits. But an object passing into the region would just shoot right on out the other side if it doesn't hit something hit or if its speed is too high for solar wind to make a difference. Once it is in orbit, it will stay, generally, although objects can escape on their own, too.

47 posted on 07/18/2002 5:11:01 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: EternalVigilance
NASA Discovers 'Motorway' Network Between Planets

I hope it's an autobahn... ;-)

Of course it will be. Werner Von Braun always said that we got to the moon first because our Germans were better than their (Russia's) Germans.

48 posted on 07/18/2002 5:13:20 PM PDT by chaosagent
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To: CaptRon
Now, if they can just find those Alderson points (for all you Niven/Pournelle fans, if any).

We're out here. Long time reader of all their stuff, individually and collaboratively. Subscribe to Pournelle's site. It's about the only thing I look at regularly, other than FR and weather radar.

49 posted on 07/18/2002 5:15:11 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: chaosagent
LOL...
50 posted on 07/18/2002 5:16:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: RightWhale
He has the details if you can dig him up.

LOL!

Space cities at L5 points are a staple of hard science fiction.

51 posted on 07/18/2002 5:17:01 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: ovrtaxt
im trying, but it's escaping me. what's stumping me is the 60 degree thing. it would seem that a more massive planet would generate a L point at a farther distance along the orbital path.

Yes. The bigger the orbit, the farther away the L4 and L5 points.

I wonder if Lagrange is assuming that the two bodies are the same mass?

Not if you mean the sun and Jupiter, or any two real bodies. If you mean the L4 and L5 apparent masses, that web page uses one description for both.

52 posted on 07/18/2002 5:19:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: *Space; Ernest_at_the_Beach; sourcery
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53 posted on 07/18/2002 5:21:39 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: ovrtaxt
"ah. thanks for the info! being a creationist, this kind of stuff blows me away with respect for God. gravity is such a cool idea!"

It's really just an "unproven theory", like evolution is.

Gravity is a lie. The Earth sucks.
54 posted on 07/18/2002 5:21:55 PM PDT by mykej
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To: blam
BE IT HEREBY KNOWN THAT I, LAZAMATAZ, CLAIM AS MY PERSONAL PROPERTY ALL LAGRANGE POINTS IN THIS OR ANY OTHER SOLAR SYSTEM.

For rent: LaGrange Points between planets. Reduce your fuel consumption! Win friends! Have fresher breath!

55 posted on 07/18/2002 5:24:21 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Saturnalia
Genesis

Genesis allowed is not! Is planet forbidden!

56 posted on 07/18/2002 5:27:46 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: mykej
Gravity is a lie. The Earth sucks.

LOL!, but a subtle lie....

57 posted on 07/18/2002 5:27:57 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter
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To: Lazamataz
there's a good entrepreneur!

reminds me of the toll booth in Blazing Saddles.-- Slim Pickens: dang! anybody got a dime?!

58 posted on 07/18/2002 5:28:22 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: Lazamataz
....I, LAZAMATAZ, CLAIM AS MY PERSONAL PROPERTY ALL LAGRANGE POINTS....

Ahem...Sorry, imperial sounding dude, but I beat you to it @ post #28........

59 posted on 07/18/2002 5:31:15 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter
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To: Lazamataz
...Have fresher breath...

Kind of hard to achieve that up here...
The dust is a real bitch!!!

60 posted on 07/18/2002 5:33:50 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter
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