Frankly you should try to offer up a better example. And even if this example was valid, you can count me as one individual who would give up all the Lolita, Romeo and Juliet and other stories involving underage women if it saved even one young child or infant from sexual exploitation, violent abuse or death.
How many of your freedoms will you give up to save two lives? Ten? How many lives would be saved if none of us had the freedom to drive a car? 40,000 a year or so? Ready to give up that freedom to save all those lives? I mean, if you're willing to abandon an entire genre of fiction to save one life, surely not driving is not too much of a sacrifice to save 40,000 lives, right? How many lives would be saved by all of us giving up all our freedoms?
People die as a result of your freedom every hour of every day of every week. Your freedom comes with a price that is paid in blood, and frankly, I find it disrespectful to those who pay that price that you are so willing to cast it aside. People die for freedom all the time - that's what makes it so precious, and something to be cherished, and something to be protected, and not something to be cast aside because you think we can have freedom without paying any price for it. Let me assure you, we cannot.
Freedom isn't free, in more ways than one...
I notice that you have quite a lot to say, but somehow you never get around to actually proposing a standard for a law that would differentiate between the two, and
never really do more than sort of elliptically suggest that it ought to be easy to do. If it's so easy, I'm very interested to hear it.
I notice you've got quite a lot to say as well. Unfortunately you don't put your brain in gear before you spout off. You completely ignored everything I had to say to revert to your demand that others postulate a law that would conform to your demands. That's not our job brain trust. As for all the questions I asked, where's your answers Mr. High and Mighty?
Frankly you should try to offer up a better example. And even if this example was valid, you can count me as one individual who would give up all the Lolita, Romeo and Juliet and other stories involving underage women if it saved even one young child or infant from sexual exploitation, violent abuse or death.
How many of your freedoms will you give up to save two lives? Ten? How many lives would be saved if none of us had the freedom to drive a car? 40,000 a year
or so? Ready to give up that freedom to save all those lives? I mean, if you're willing to abandon an entire genre of fiction to save one life, surely not driving is not too much of a sacrifice to save 40,000 lives, right? How many lives would be saved by all of us giving up all our freedoms?
Yes, I'm willing to give up the freedom to watch some cartoon about a kid getting fu__ed in the a__, then sliced and diced. Tell me the name of one person who died to protect that right will ya. As for your holier than thou comments about giving up rights, B.S., and you know it.
So you're saying that raping young children and killing them is on a par with the implied risk of experiencing an auto accident? Where do you come up with this stuff? Oh nevermind, you don't answer questions. You just make blanket pipe dream defenses of the Constitution that everyone else defends as much as you do, then demand that others answer your questions. Heh heh heh, nice try.
I mean, if you're willing to abandon an entire genre of fiction to save one life... so that's all it is to you, just one genre of fiction hugh? Perhaps you can tell us one single benificial aspect of child porn. I asked you a number of questions related to this issue bub. You completely ignored them. Ah, why? Are you afraid to conduct a two way conversation?
People die as a result of your freedom every hour of every day of every week. Suffering the effects of impled risk as in riding in a car in order to travel great distances conveniently, which may result in a fatal accident, is not the same as some kid suffering the effects of child porn carried out by some flawed adult. Please name the beneficial aspects of child porn that the child experiences or that society experiences in the transaction. There is no beneficial aspect of child pornography.
Your freedom comes with a price that is paid in blood, and frankly, I find it disrespectful to those who pay that price that you are so willing to cast it aside. People die for freedom all the time - that's what makes it so precious, and something to be cherished, and something to be protected, and not something to be cast aside because you think we can have freedom without paying any price for it. Let me assure you, we cannot.
Yada yada yada... nobody died so that you or anyone else could use child pornography. We have many laws on the books today that prevent people from saying everything they'd like to. Perjury, slanders, defamation are but three words that limit our ability to realize the absolutism of the first ammendment. Even so, we are still able to utilize the first ammendment to further the republic. Let me guess, in your convoluted upside down world these three forms of free speech should not have been infringed either. I mean after all, you can't eliminate them without eliminating all first ammendment rights and denegrating the lives of every person who died to save our constitution, right????
...I find it disrespectful to those who pay that price that you are so willing to cast it aside. What a crock and you know it. When your arguement falls short you have to resort to implying that I spit in the face of every member of the military who died to give us rights. Once again, name one individual who with his dying breath said, "...and thank God I was able to die so that infants and young children back home could be depicted as the victims of sexual brutality in snuff films."
Freedom isn't free, in more ways than one...
Look, you have the freedom to come here and voice your opinion. Now I realize you think that will end if child pornography is eliminated, but let me assure you that your freedom to express your views will still be here long after child porn has been eliminated, even as it still is after perjury, slander and defamation laws were enacted.
60 posted on 7/17/02 4:58 AM Pacific by general_re