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First Amendment Doesn't Protect Virtual Kiddie Porn
The Claremont Institute ^ | July 31, 2000 | John C. Eastman

Posted on 07/16/2002 2:03:35 PM PDT by aconservaguy

The Claremont Institute

This is the print version of http://www.claremont.org/projects/jurisprudence/000731eastman.html.

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First Amendment Doesn't Protect Virtual Kiddie Porn By John C. Eastman Posted July 31, 2000

For more than a quarter century, Congress and state legislatures have been trying to rid our land of child pornography. But with each new attempt, the purveyors of child porn find a loophole or a friendly judge who, relying on a misbegotten First Amendment reading, strikes down the law as unconstitutional.

The latest loophole is the result of technological advances in software that permit pornographers to produce virtual images of children engaged in sexual activity without using live children. These pornographic films are indistinguishable from the real thing, however, and thus cause many of the same harms that "real" child pornography cause by providing pedophiles with a tool to seduce children, titillating child molesters into action and undermining the morals of society. To close this loophole in existing law, Congress enacted the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996, which outlaws the interstate trafficking of materials that are, or appear to be of, minors engaging in sexual conduct.

Before the statute could be enforced, a group of pornographers brought a lawsuit in a California federal court to have the act declared unconstitutional as a violation of the pornographers' First Amendment right to free speech. The district court rejected their challenge, but a split panel of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reversed, with two judges appointed by President Clinton holding that the only governmental interest compelling enough to warrant restricting pornographers' First Amendment rights was the harm to actual children used in making the pornography, an interest not implicated by virtual reality kiddie porn. Free Speech Coalition v. Reno, 198 F.3d 1083 (9th Cir. 1999).

The rehearing was recently denied en banc, and the government will undoubtedly seek review in the U.S. Supreme Court. This should be an easy case.

As Justice Antonin Scalia noted in Barnes v. Glen Theatre Inc., a case in which the Supreme Court upheld a South Bend, Indiana ordinance prohibiting nude dancing, the First Amendment protects the freedom of speech and of the press, but not expressive conduct.

The purpose of the First Amendment is to prevent government from interfering with the free exchange of ideas, an exercise in human reason that was necessary for the perpetuation of our republican form of government. Although courts have since broadened the First Amendment to protect certain forms of conduct that express ideas normally conveyed by speech, the Supreme Court has rejected the notion that a limitless variety of conduct can be labeled "speech" whenever the person engaging in it intends to express some erotic, perverse or hateful idea.

Pornography, and especially child pornography, is the antithesis of the founding ideal of speech as reasoned discourse. It appeals not at all to human reason but rather to the basest of human passions. It is of such slight social value that, like fighting words, libel and obscenity, it constitutes no essential part of the exposition of ideas.

Even if one could credibly argue that there is some First Amendment value to such pornography, any minimal benefit is clearly outweighed by society's interest in order and morality. As a result, the Supreme Court held in New York v. Ferber nearly 20 years ago that child pornography fell outside First Amendment protections. The court's characterization should hold true whether or not real children are used to produce the pornographic materials.

As Judge Warren Ferguson noted in his Free Speech Coalition dissent, child pornography harms not just the children used to make it, but other children whom pedophiles might seduce by showing them virtual images of children engaging in sexual activity. More fundamentally, like the public nudity that was at issue in Barnes, child pornography has since time immemorial been considered an evil in itself.

Even the Ninth Circuit recognized that such images are morally repugnant. The prohibition of virtual reality child pornography is therefore permissible not just because of the harm it might cause others but because it is per se immoral. The Ninth Circuit panel's contrary holding not only ignores the legitimate governmental interests but denigrates the true meaning of the First Amendment.

This is not a case where we need to tolerate hateful speech in order to prevent gradual encroachments on legitimate First Amendment freedoms. Legitimate speech is not threatened by governmental restrictions on child pornography, and we need not suffer such affronts to public decency in order to fully vindicate the First Amendment. Hopefully, the U.S. Supreme Court will reverse the panel decision and uphold Congress's legitimate efforts to bring the virtual kiddie porn to a virtual halt.

John C. Eastman is a professor of constitutional law at Chapman University School of Law and the director of the Claremont Institute's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence.

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1 posted on 07/16/2002 2:03:35 PM PDT by aconservaguy
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To: aconservaguy
This article captures my thoughts on the subject. It does barely touch on one issue important to me. The production of this material can only lead to the development of desire in individuals who view it for pleasure. Where is the release for that desire if not to inflict acts on real children? These materials should not be legal.
2 posted on 07/16/2002 2:10:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: aconservaguy
Even if one could credibly argue that there is some First Amendment value to such pornography, any minimal benefit is clearly outweighed by society's interest in order and morality.

Where is that balancing test located within the text of the First Amendment? When does "no law" mean "no law"?
3 posted on 07/16/2002 2:13:36 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC
Very true: no law means no law. Lost on lots of folks.

More importantly, though, I'm struck by the good professor's repeated emphasis of his idea that "it is immoral, so it ought to be illegal."

The key issue, though, is without discussion, debate, and viewing of such materials, society cannot judge accurately whether it is or is not immoral. That's the purpose of the 1st Amendment. In the "marketplace of ideas," the false and meritless ideas will be rejected by the public, leaving them to languish with such a small minority it is of no interest.

Let *anything* be distributed to the public; we will be the judge.
4 posted on 07/16/2002 2:24:54 PM PDT by Viva Le Dissention
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To: Viva Le Dissention
Agreed. If this material is so bad, what will it do to those who view it in order to determine whether or not it is immoral and hence should be illegal?

I don't trust anyone else to make that decision for me.
5 posted on 07/16/2002 2:29:38 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC
The "balancing test" isn't located in the First amendment. "no law" means no law. But, I think first a question must be answered of is pornography "speech." The First Amendment protects speech; imo, one has to show that "kiddie porn" -- or pornography period -- is "speech" in order for it to be considered for protection under the First Amendment. Does the protection of "speech" extend to pornography and other such things? Are there any points from the Framer's that could put it in perspective of the First Amendment? And even if it can be determined that it is "speech," I think his point of good benefits vs. bad benefits is a good measure that can be (i'm sure one of many) considered when judging it.
6 posted on 07/16/2002 2:32:22 PM PDT by aconservaguy
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To: BikerNYC
let me also clarify that i'm not necessarily for the federal outlawing of porn, but i'm not necessarily for porn's protection under the First Amendment, either.
7 posted on 07/16/2002 2:35:22 PM PDT by aconservaguy
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To: aconservaguy
I agree. I wonder if the intention of the First Amendment was to allow for the free exchange of ideas to persuade in terms of public policy. There's nothing persuasive about pornography. But isn't it funny that where persuasiveness counts, like in front of abortion clinics, that speech is quelled?
8 posted on 07/16/2002 2:39:27 PM PDT by Undivided Heart
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To: aconservaguy
If it isn't speech, is it a use of the press? True, you don't speak pictures, but you do publish them via the press, an the "no law" clause of the First Amendment applies equally to the press.

I've always wondered what words a law or constitutional provision should contain if you really wanted to prevent the government from making any law regulating speech or the press.

Isn't "Congress shall make no law..." sufficient? and if not, what more could you say?
9 posted on 07/16/2002 2:39:52 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Undivided Heart
I wonder if the intention of the First Amendment was to allow for the free exchange of ideas to persuade in terms of public policy.

Well, the Constitution doesn't include any such limitation. You can try to say that it's "implied", but then you're using the same argument liberals use when they say the 2nd Amendment doesn't protect an individual right.

Excellent point on liberal free speech hypocrisy regarding abortion protestors, the same also applies to campaign finance "reform".

10 posted on 07/16/2002 2:43:24 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: Viva Le Dissention
"More importantly, though, I'm struck by the good professor's repeated emphasis of his idea that "it is immoral, so it ought to be illegal.""

With adult porn, I absolutely agree. With kiddie porn, using real kids - in photos, videos, or in real life - it's a different story and those involved should be punished.

But, my concern is the 'virtual' part of this. When do we cross the line from "thought crime" to a real crime. This troubles me as much as the concept of "hate speech". Again, I'm limiting this to when NO real child is involved in any aspect of the production or use.

11 posted on 07/16/2002 2:49:24 PM PDT by Badray
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To: aconservaguy
I hope the U.S Supreme Court will overturn the 9th Circuit here. This is not like the Congressional attempts to outlaw the viewing of adult erotica. To the contrary, this law is intended to protect children from harm in order to serve the basest passions of a few perverted adults. By definition, such conduct on the part of adults is not free speech but rather the manifestation of behavior considered morally repugnant to the order and values of society. Given the compelling governmental interests served here, it should be a no brainer for the SCOTUS to reinstate the ban on virtual child pornography. No one should be able to hide behind the excuse of the First Amendment to exploit children in the service of perverted ends.
12 posted on 07/16/2002 2:50:21 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: BikerNYC
Here is a scenario I still haven't received an answer to in this debate.

A very talented artist creates a painting from his own imagination depicting juveniles engaged in sexual intercourse or other sexually explicit activities or poses. Remember now, these juveniles DO NOT EXIST except in the mind of the artist, and now only exist as paintings on a canvas. By producing these paintings, what law has the artist broken? If he shows them to other adults, can he be arrested? If he sends them to another adult on the internet, can he be arrested? Why? Who makes the decision that someone who creates something from only the imagination can be arrested and imprisoned?

13 posted on 07/16/2002 2:53:58 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: goldstategop; All
Actually, to clarify this, this article is two years old. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this, and upheld the 9'th Circuit's opinion that "virtual" porn is protected by the First Amendment.

Just to clear up any confusion - it's all over but the shouting, the tenses of this article notwithstanding ;)

14 posted on 07/16/2002 2:55:32 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Enterprise
Good example. What if the artist made a painting of imagined children, instead of a sculpture? What if Picasso did it and it was conceptual, but he claimed that it was a painting of a child being fondled? How "realistic" does it have to be?
15 posted on 07/16/2002 2:58:36 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: general_re
LOL! I just noticed it. Oh well now its ok to produce kiddie porn as long as you don't use real children to do it. Its progress.
16 posted on 07/16/2002 3:01:04 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Badray
I don't disagree, but there is a whole array of charges that the State can levy against the producers of child porn that doesn't include attacking free speech.

Sort of like the concept behind prohibition: you don't attack the drinkers--you made a law that prohibited producing, shipping, or selling.

Here the same concept applies. Get the producers for child endangerment or whatever. That solves the problem without endangering free speech--well, endangers it to a lesser extent, I suppose; there would definitely have a chilling effect on production, but still. I think you get what I'm saying.
17 posted on 07/16/2002 3:02:33 PM PDT by Viva Le Dissention
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To: Viva Le Dissention
More importantly, though, I'm struck by the good professor's repeated emphasis of his idea that "it is immoral, so it ought to be illegal.

Why are you struck by this when every law ever made is founded on a moral basis?

18 posted on 07/16/2002 3:08:31 PM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: ThinkDifferent
Well, the Constitution doesn't include any such limitation.

Could such laws be enacted locally (state/city)? I heard recently that Michigan enforced a profanity law when someone left a message with some colorful language on an answering machine. You could say that the caller was just trying to be persuasive in communicating hate . : )

Slightly off topic, and I've posted this a few times, but why is it that when we interpret the Constitution with external documents to see what the founders intended, the liberals like to dismiss the Declaration of Independence (because it's not the Constitution), but for some reason Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists is so weighty. In fact, those words "wall of separation" have somehow been infused in the 1st Amendment. I'd bet if we did a Sean Hannity "Man On The Street" poll and asked a bunch of liberals where in the Constitution the words "Separation of Church and State" were written, 95% would gleefully respond, "The First Amendment!"

19 posted on 07/16/2002 3:10:21 PM PDT by Undivided Heart
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To: BikerNYC
the press: interesting point. However, does "kiddie porn" fall under "freedom of the press"? frankly, i don't think congress should make a law prohibiting porn; i don't think they have the right. the states or localities are different, however.
20 posted on 07/16/2002 3:31:59 PM PDT by aconservaguy
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