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Testimony costs flight attendant her job
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| July 12, 2002
| Kristen Green
Posted on 07/12/2002 7:06:01 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: the-gooroo
And you explain the physical evidence against Westerfield how??
Just a case of absolutely incredible coincidental bad luck perhaps?
Don't think jurors will see it that way.
To: the-gooroo
Oh and one more thing...Westerfield is guilty. Accept it and move on.
To: shezza
Yes, there is at least one time for everything...and kids do wander sometimes. I suppose if the pajamas she wore to bed where laying on the floor with the other dirty pajamas..and if it looked like she put on her clothes, I might agree. How many
girly girl 7yr olds do you know that actually run around the neighborhood in their pj's?
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A"girly girl" born between two brothers, Danielle van Dam was a little princess from the start. She always loved wearing pretty little dresses, dancing and getting her hair styled. She recently dressed as Tinkerbell for a friend's birthday party. "She enjoys being a little girl," said family friend Paula Call. Danielle's friends and her classmates at Creekside Elementary School describe her as a sweet, quiet girl who laughs a lot. "I think about her every day," Sergey Smirnoff, a 6-year-old classmate, said a few days after her disappearance. "Everybody talks about her. We're trying to figure out how she got lost."
I didn't mention this to insinuate that if she didn't call, people would harass her or question her about it, although you are probably right. People would have picked her apart if she called her friends for help instead of police. As soon as RR said "Swing" it was over, done, they can do no right.
On the other hand, had the LE not leaked the information, the chances of her being criticized over that 911 call would be minimal. She would have been just another hysterical parent, living in a very nice neighborhood, whose daughter was kidnapped.
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
To: shezza
Shezza, the original link is dead, you only hear the sanitized version. The original transcripts also disappeared, except from copies people like me saved. The original recording had Brenda referring to her daughter in past-tense, and describing her in bizarre terms. The cleaned up version has "fixed" all of that. Now can someone tell me why?
To: FresnoDA
heh heh heh heh heh heh
Good one, Fresno.
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Thank you for the link Kim.
She sounds like such a sweetheart of a little girl. Those could be descriptions of my own daughter.
It doesn't seem that she was in any way the dirty, hyperactive, incest victim that is so often described on these threads.
And I'm sure if there were any signs of abuse, her best friend's father - an elementary school principal trained to look for signs - would have noticed.
That link should be posted on every thread, so we can remember what this is all about.
To: shezza
Shezza, kids "disappear" for short periods all the time, it's not that unusual. Most parents will call around to neighbors and friends--anyone seen Johnny? And one will finally say yes, he's playing with Timmy in the back yard. I've never heard of anyone calling 911, then looking for the child--unless it's an infant who could not have gotten some place on its own.
To: Hildy
Celebrate it...you bet! Why did Denise (or anyone else for that matter) think they can run off at the mouth about smoking pot...when the rest of the employees at Southwest AL, or the even the other Airlines have to live by the rules?
Her testimony didn't make or break this case...she said nothing to sway the jury either way, did she? Sort of reminded me of many Liberals who stepped forward to help Clinton, and ended up broke, in debt with no job, while the Spinmeister ends up filthy rich...What a joke.
I celebrate the fact that the airlines one of my children works for, enforces their Zero tolerance rule. I celebrate and rejoice that you and I can be confident our flight attendents aren't stoned.
There is a Union she belongs too...let her appeal.
Let her appeal and fight the FAA... You think she's special? Who does she think she is? The Queen of Sheeba?
BTW, Hildy...where is all the sympathy for DW's family? His children? The fact he may be falsely accused and his life is ruined? Where is the sympathy for Dw when the Van Dams go outside and harass the potential buyers the Realtors take over to Westerfield's house?
Westerfield should sue the van dams for interferance resulting in a "no sale" of his home. But, I guess the house belongs to Feldman now, so let Brenda and Damon try and fight the law-suit Feldman brings against them...ha! The Van Dams are out of control mad-dogs. They, at the very least, have no class.
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posted on
07/13/2002 8:13:44 AM PDT
by
spectre
To: pyx
a seven year old sleeping at 9AM on a Saturday morning is completely unbelievable Really? What am I to make of my now eight year old? Or do you want to criticize my parenting as I let her sleep even later than nine if she is so inclined?
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Exactly. There are many areas where the van Dams can be criticized but this isn't one, imo.
To: Greg Weston
Just a case of absolutely incredible coincidental bad luck perhaps?On another site, I saw a mention made, about the improbability of having all of the items of evidence against Mr. Westerfield oocur together, if he is indeed innocent. It could be made into a mathematical calculation.
I guess you start with the absense and actual death of Danielle. Next: What is the "probability" the absense would occur within hours of DAW being at Dad's?
Going on, what is the probability that in addition, that this weekend DAW goes on a MH trip? Then the probability he goes alone. Then the probability he doesn't take his toys. Then the probability he goes to the Strand? The the probability he goes ALSO to the desert?
You continue with seemingly independent events, assigning a probability. Finally all of the probabilities are multiplied, to get a "combined probability."
When deliberating, the minds of many of us sort of do this, without all of the math calculations. The result might be what we label "common sense," or label "reason." Still others might call it "logic" (logic being a basis for mathematics, or vice versa).
As a downtime exercize, I highly recommend watching the movie "Twelve Angry Men" made during the 1950s, if memory serves me. The cast is awesome, and it illustrates dramatically how a jury reasons things through.
Perhaps it is overly dramatic, but it is good, nonetheless.
To: spectre
I can't believe you have more sympathy for David Westerfield than for Denise Kemel. It boggles my mind.
733
posted on
07/13/2002 10:29:48 AM PDT
by
Hildy
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Kim, BRIILILANT!!! Everytime I think I've escaped these threads, I get pulled right back in! I'm in the midst of a furor right now for saying I had some sympathy for Denise Kemel. According to some on this board, downloading 1000's of child porn pictures and killing a nine year old girl isn't as bad as smoking some pot on the weekend. Go figure.
734
posted on
07/13/2002 10:31:59 AM PDT
by
Hildy
To: Krodg
Thanks for the info on beyond a reasonable doubt you sent yesterday.
Sorry I had to suddenly leave but a friend whose 12+ year old Golden Retriever had reached the point of no return asked me to take her to the vet for the final deed. What a gut wrenching experience. She wasn't even my dog and I couldn't sleep all night.
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I meant....BRILLIANT...not that other thing!
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posted on
07/13/2002 12:19:50 PM PDT
by
Hildy
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Why don't you two be honest? The Refugee forum was closed because of YOU TWO harassing people by Freepmail for things they posted on another forum. And don't bother denying it, because I have numerous examples to choose from.
I had people who were too upset to post any more because of you. So stop trying to act like you are little angels, just because you take your vitriol to Freepmail, instead of posting it publicly.
To: Politicalmom
I'm not going to argue about your forum or what was done or said prior to it private reading forum...
To: Politicalmom
(whoops) ..."becoming" private reading forum...
To: Hildy
I saw that....don't let it get to ya..they take turns on everyone that doesn't follow the line.
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