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Testimony costs flight attendant her job
SignOnSanDiego ^ | July 12, 2002 | Kristen Green

Posted on 07/12/2002 7:06:01 AM PDT by MizSterious

Testimony costs flight attendant her job

Airline fires witness for admitting pot use

By Kristen Green
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

July 12, 2002

Denise Kemal was fired June 28, more than two weeks after her nationally televised testimony, because the company has a zero-tolerance drug policy.

Losing her job has ruined her life, Kemal said yesterday. "I've always wanted to fly," she said. "It took me years to get my job."

She said she is appealing the dismissal because smoking marijuana "wasn't an everyday thing." While she waits for an answer, Kemal, 28 and recently divorced, watches the Westerfield trial from the couch of her new Florida apartment.

Kemal was called to the witness stand by the prosecution June 10. She was at the van Dam home Feb. 1, the night 7-year-old Danielle van Dam was last seen, and spent the evening with Brenda van Dam, the girl's mother.

The two had become friendly through their husbands, who both work at Qualcomm. A spokeswoman for Southwest confirmed that Kemal had been fired, but declined to elaborate. She said company policy states that the "illegal use of drugs, narcotics or controlled substances off duty and off company premises is not acceptable and may result in termination because it can affect on-the-job performance and the confidence of our customers in the company's ability to meet its responsibilities."

Kemal said she was just answering questions posed to her during Westerfield's trial because "I want to make sure he gets convicted."

"Because of him, it's just ruined everyone's lives," she said.

Kemal testified that she went out with her Tierrasanta neighbor Barbara Easton and Brenda van Dam to Dad's Cafe & Steakhouse in Poway two Fridays in a row, Jan. 25 and Feb. 1. They were celebrating Kemal's upcoming move to Baltimore, where she had been transferred for work.

The second night out, Feb. 1, she was introduced to Westerfield, whom she has described as "creepy." Westerfield is charged with kidnapping and murdering Danielle. If convicted, he could be sentenced to death.

Kemal said the three women first celebrated her move Jan. 25. Kemal and Easton, who lived in the same apartment complex, shared a bottle of wine before driving to the van Dams, Kemal testified. She said she smoked some marijuana in the van Dams' garage before they left for the bar.

The next week, the three women decided to spend that Friday night partying at Dad's again after Damon van Dam canceled plans to go out of town and agreed to stay home with the couple's three children.

On Feb. 1, they smoked pot in the garage a second time, Kemal testified, and she and Easton shared a beer. Later in the evening, they partied at Dad's, where they ran into Westerfield. At one point in the night, they went to van Dam's sport utility vehicle to smoke marijuana again.

Kemal said her supervisors learned that she had smoked pot because customers mailed newspaper articles about her testimony.

She had never had problems at Southwest before the trial, she said. In fact, she regularly received letters of commendation from airline passengers since she was hired in November 1998.

Once, a Texas couple she had met on a flight sent a box of candy to her home. Kemal, in turn, shipped them a set of candles for their living room.

Kemal said that even after Sept. 11, she didn't have any reservations about flying.

"I did it because it's my job, and I love my job," she said. "I get to travel and meet different people. I like to serve the public."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 180frank; danielle; denisekemal; kidnap; michaeldobbs; vandam; westerfield
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To: the-gooroo
And you explain the physical evidence against Westerfield how??

Just a case of absolutely incredible coincidental bad luck perhaps?

Don't think jurors will see it that way.

721 posted on 07/13/2002 5:18:22 AM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: the-gooroo
Oh and one more thing...Westerfield is guilty. Accept it and move on.
722 posted on 07/13/2002 5:30:04 AM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: shezza
Yes, there is at least one time for everything...and kids do wander sometimes. I suppose if the pajamas she wore to bed where laying on the floor with the other dirty pajamas..and if it looked like she put on her clothes, I might agree. How many girly girl 7yr olds do you know that actually run around the neighborhood in their pj's?

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A"girly girl" born between two brothers, Danielle van Dam was a little princess from the start. She always loved wearing pretty little dresses, dancing and getting her hair styled. She recently dressed as Tinkerbell for a friend's birthday party. "She enjoys being a little girl," said family friend Paula Call. Danielle's friends and her classmates at Creekside Elementary School describe her as a sweet, quiet girl who laughs a lot. "I think about her every day," Sergey Smirnoff, a 6-year-old classmate, said a few days after her disappearance. "Everybody talks about her. We're trying to figure out how she got lost."

I didn't mention this to insinuate that if she didn't call, people would harass her or question her about it, although you are probably right. People would have picked her apart if she called her friends for help instead of police. As soon as RR said "Swing" it was over, done, they can do no right.

On the other hand, had the LE not leaked the information, the chances of her being criticized over that 911 call would be minimal. She would have been just another hysterical parent, living in a very nice neighborhood, whose daughter was kidnapped.

723 posted on 07/13/2002 6:50:30 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

WEEKEND THREAD ALERT!!

Judge Allows Danielle's Dad Back In Court: (Damon was banned for MAD-DOGGING Westerfield!)

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724 posted on 07/13/2002 6:54:35 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: shezza
Shezza, the original link is dead, you only hear the sanitized version. The original transcripts also disappeared, except from copies people like me saved. The original recording had Brenda referring to her daughter in past-tense, and describing her in bizarre terms. The cleaned up version has "fixed" all of that. Now can someone tell me why?
725 posted on 07/13/2002 7:45:01 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: FresnoDA
heh heh heh heh heh heh

Good one, Fresno.
726 posted on 07/13/2002 7:50:34 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Thank you for the link Kim.
She sounds like such a sweetheart of a little girl. Those could be descriptions of my own daughter.
It doesn't seem that she was in any way the dirty, hyperactive, incest victim that is so often described on these threads.
And I'm sure if there were any signs of abuse, her best friend's father - an elementary school principal trained to look for signs - would have noticed.
That link should be posted on every thread, so we can remember what this is all about.
727 posted on 07/13/2002 7:53:15 AM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: shezza
Shezza, kids "disappear" for short periods all the time, it's not that unusual. Most parents will call around to neighbors and friends--anyone seen Johnny? And one will finally say yes, he's playing with Timmy in the back yard. I've never heard of anyone calling 911, then looking for the child--unless it's an infant who could not have gotten some place on its own.
728 posted on 07/13/2002 8:12:24 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: Hildy
Celebrate it...you bet! Why did Denise (or anyone else for that matter) think they can run off at the mouth about smoking pot...when the rest of the employees at Southwest AL, or the even the other Airlines have to live by the rules?

Her testimony didn't make or break this case...she said nothing to sway the jury either way, did she? Sort of reminded me of many Liberals who stepped forward to help Clinton, and ended up broke, in debt with no job, while the Spinmeister ends up filthy rich...What a joke.

I celebrate the fact that the airlines one of my children works for, enforces their Zero tolerance rule. I celebrate and rejoice that you and I can be confident our flight attendents aren't stoned.

There is a Union she belongs too...let her appeal.

Let her appeal and fight the FAA... You think she's special? Who does she think she is? The Queen of Sheeba?

BTW, Hildy...where is all the sympathy for DW's family? His children? The fact he may be falsely accused and his life is ruined? Where is the sympathy for Dw when the Van Dams go outside and harass the potential buyers the Realtors take over to Westerfield's house?

Westerfield should sue the van dams for interferance resulting in a "no sale" of his home. But, I guess the house belongs to Feldman now, so let Brenda and Damon try and fight the law-suit Feldman brings against them...ha! The Van Dams are out of control mad-dogs. They, at the very least, have no class.

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729 posted on 07/13/2002 8:13:44 AM PDT by spectre
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To: pyx
a seven year old sleeping at 9AM on a Saturday morning is completely unbelievable

Really? What am I to make of my now eight year old? Or do you want to criticize my parenting as I let her sleep even later than nine if she is so inclined?

730 posted on 07/13/2002 8:34:00 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Exactly. There are many areas where the van Dams can be criticized but this isn't one, imo.
731 posted on 07/13/2002 8:35:47 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Greg Weston
Just a case of absolutely incredible coincidental bad luck perhaps?

On another site, I saw a mention made, about the improbability of having all of the items of evidence against Mr. Westerfield oocur together, if he is indeed innocent. It could be made into a mathematical calculation.

I guess you start with the absense and actual death of Danielle. Next: What is the "probability" the absense would occur within hours of DAW being at Dad's?

Going on, what is the probability that in addition, that this weekend DAW goes on a MH trip? Then the probability he goes alone. Then the probability he doesn't take his toys. Then the probability he goes to the Strand? The the probability he goes ALSO to the desert?

You continue with seemingly independent events, assigning a probability. Finally all of the probabilities are multiplied, to get a "combined probability."

When deliberating, the minds of many of us sort of do this, without all of the math calculations. The result might be what we label "common sense," or label "reason." Still others might call it "logic" (logic being a basis for mathematics, or vice versa).

As a downtime exercize, I highly recommend watching the movie "Twelve Angry Men" made during the 1950s, if memory serves me. The cast is awesome, and it illustrates dramatically how a jury reasons things through.

Perhaps it is overly dramatic, but it is good, nonetheless.

732 posted on 07/13/2002 9:51:27 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: spectre
I can't believe you have more sympathy for David Westerfield than for Denise Kemel. It boggles my mind.
733 posted on 07/13/2002 10:29:48 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Kim, BRIILILANT!!! Everytime I think I've escaped these threads, I get pulled right back in! I'm in the midst of a furor right now for saying I had some sympathy for Denise Kemel. According to some on this board, downloading 1000's of child porn pictures and killing a nine year old girl isn't as bad as smoking some pot on the weekend. Go figure.
734 posted on 07/13/2002 10:31:59 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: Krodg
Thanks for the info on beyond a reasonable doubt you sent yesterday.

Sorry I had to suddenly leave but a friend whose 12+ year old Golden Retriever had reached the point of no return asked me to take her to the vet for the final deed. What a gut wrenching experience. She wasn't even my dog and I couldn't sleep all night.
735 posted on 07/13/2002 10:32:58 AM PDT by bolthead
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I meant....BRILLIANT...not that other thing!
736 posted on 07/13/2002 12:19:50 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Why don't you two be honest? The Refugee forum was closed because of YOU TWO harassing people by Freepmail for things they posted on another forum. And don't bother denying it, because I have numerous examples to choose from.

I had people who were too upset to post any more because of you. So stop trying to act like you are little angels, just because you take your vitriol to Freepmail, instead of posting it publicly.
737 posted on 07/13/2002 5:32:32 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Politicalmom
I'm not going to argue about your forum or what was done or said prior to it private reading forum...
738 posted on 07/13/2002 6:40:27 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Politicalmom
(whoops) ..."becoming" private reading forum...
739 posted on 07/13/2002 6:43:18 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Hildy
I saw that....don't let it get to ya..they take turns on everyone that doesn't follow the line.
740 posted on 07/13/2002 6:44:26 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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