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Planes May Have Almost Toppled WTC Towers On Impact
Science Daily ^ | 7-10-2002

Posted on 07/10/2002 6:45:51 PM PDT by blam

Date: Posted 7/10/2002

Planes May Have Almost Toppled World Trade Center Towers On Impact

The hijacked jetliners might have come close to toppling the World Trade Center Towers on impact on Sept. 11, according to new calculations by a Swarthmore College physics professor. This counters the views of most experts and a recent federally funded engineering study that concluded the planes lacked sufficient force to knock the towers down on impact. "Certainly the loss of approximately 2,830 people in a single event is a tragedy," says Professor of Physics Frank Moscatelli, a native New Yorker. "But assuming an occupancy of 40,000 to 50,000 people in the towers alone at the time of impact, we could have had a catastrophe well beyond what we actually experienced last September."

The federal report, released last month, concluded the buildings could have remained standing if not for the enormous fires that broke out after they were struck by the hijacked airplanes. The report, sponsored by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the American Society of Civil Engineers, supports statements made on the recent NOVA special Why the Towers Fell.

But Moscatelli contends that the report's conclusions and similar expert opinions err by focusing solely on force. "You must also compare the torque, which is a physical measure of 'twist' produced by the planes with that due to the wind load the towers were designed to withstand," Moscatelli says. "Comparing the static weights of the buildings and planes is wrong. The planes were moving, and that clearly changes the problem. The buildings did not have to bear the weight of the planes; they had to stop the planes."

Moscatelli calculated that the torque applied by the planes' impact -- 7.7 million ft. tons -- actually exceeded the amount the towers were designed to resist due to wind load -- 7.4 million ft. tons. "So they could have immediately collapsed, if not for the fact that neither object is a rigid body and that the towers flexed quite a bit upon impact with the planes," he says. "If they had not at least bent temporarily, they would have been in danger of instantly toppling."

Moscatelli also determined that the 11,000 tons of force required by the towers to resist the wind barely exceeded the 7,000 tons of force required to stop the planes. "In fact, the stopping force for the plane scales as the square of its velocity, so if the plane was traveling at 564 mph these forces would be equal," he says. "This is probably why the terrorist pilots flew at such an uncommonly high speed for that aircraft, at that altitude, for that particular maneuver. They flew as if they wanted to knock them down, and I think we cannot conclude that they were so far off from doing just that."

Moscatelli previously calculated that of the three sources of energy delivered to the twin towers on September 11 -- exploded jet fuel, kinetic energy due to the motion of two aircraft, and gravitational potential energy due to the falling building material -- the last was the most devastating. This is supported by the extensive damage caused to surrounding buildings, as noted in the federal report.

"My calculations show that the largest component by far was the latter," Moscatelli says. "This is due to the large mass and height of the towers. The airplanes destroyed 20 stories of the buildings, and gravity did the rest. Their splendor was their undoing."


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KEYWORDS: center; impact; planes; topped; towers; trade; world
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1 posted on 07/10/2002 6:45:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Please excuse me for giving my opinion, I'm not an engineer, just a lowly fabricator/builder.

IMHO the intense heat of the fire is what brought down the towers. If the impact forces alone were enough to topple them, they would have fell sooner.

2 posted on 07/10/2002 6:54:21 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: blam
Moscatelli says: Their splendor was their undoing....and I feel I must correct him.

Their undoing was the work of evil men on a mission for evil forces. Their splendor was nothing more than an espression of our dreams and ambitions. Reach high and think big...A New Order for the Ages.

It is well for the Afghan people, who hoarded an unwelcome cancer in their midst, that the towers stood as long as they did. Our just rage would have known no bounds if a conflagration from a toppling would have occured.

3 posted on 07/10/2002 6:54:41 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: blam
This is junk science that even a modestly uneducated eye could detect by simply reviewing the broadcast tapes.
4 posted on 07/10/2002 6:56:02 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: viligantcitizen
Yes, in our mutual business, we often build stonger than we know.
5 posted on 07/10/2002 6:56:06 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: blam
Interesting analysis!

What it means is that airplanes continue to be a risk for buildings.

Clearly one way to make buildings safer is to make the airplanes lighter and smaller. It should be possible for an engineer to figure out how small an airplane has to be to prevent it from toppling any buildings in New York City. Then, simply bar airplanes larger than that from any local airports.

6 posted on 07/10/2002 6:56:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
Just reading this piece regenerates my outrage. Those bastards...
7 posted on 07/10/2002 6:59:38 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: blam
I wonder if this guy accounted for some of the force blowing straight through the holes in the building. They weren't solid blocks, and the planes disintegrated in a manner similar to formula race cars.
8 posted on 07/10/2002 7:00:55 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: blam
It points out that two airliners attacking the same structure would topple it.His comments are consistent with accounts from survivors from WTC 2, who felt the building rock back and forth and were even pitched about a room due to the forces of impact.

All the more reason to never allow hijackers to seize controls of an aircraft.
9 posted on 07/10/2002 7:05:03 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: viligantcitizen
He's agreeing with you sir. The fire brought them down.

But he's saying we're a bit lucky that the buildings didn't fall immediately on impact, with an order of magnitude more dead.

10 posted on 07/10/2002 7:06:42 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: Moonman62
I don't think the fusilage of the planes actually did shatter, but went right through both buildings.One freeper saw debris from WTC 1 plane 4 blocks south of impact.
11 posted on 07/10/2002 7:07:43 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: blam
Moscatelli calculated that the torque applied by the planes' impact -- 7.7 million ft. tons -- actually exceeded the amount the towers were designed to resist due to wind load -- 7.4 million ft. tons. "So they could have immediately collapsed, if not for the fact that neither object is a rigid body and that the towers flexed quite a bit upon impact with the planes," he says. "If they had not at least bent temporarily, they would have been in danger of instantly toppling."

This guy must be on drugs. He is saying that if the towers were rigid bodies that did not flex they could have been toppled over. Think of a plane slamming into a solid poured concrete structure the size, weight, and dimensions of a tower

The tower are not rigid bodies and they were designed to be flexible. In fact they were so flexible the elevators would get stuck on windy days because the towers were swaying.

12 posted on 07/10/2002 7:09:28 PM PDT by Fzob
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To: viligantcitizen
You are very correct. The Towers were made of some of the highest quality steel ever used in a buildings of this type.
The design of the buildings with the "central core" feature means that these two mostly aluminum aircraft had a large portion of the force of their impact dissipated before getting to the core.

Plus, add to this the fact that these towers were built to withstand pressures generated by high winds that were far in excess of what was delivered by the two aircraft.

These towers were not in danger of toppling from the impacts. Not even close.

In fact, if the supports that held up the girders that supported the concrete floor slabs were designed and made as well as the central core, the buildings may have survived the heat of the fire and averted a collapse.
These girders were encapsulated in a fire retardent material that was designed to protect the steel from intense heat from a traditional fire source. However, the force of the blast upon impact of the aircraft blew away most of this material and left many of the supports vulnerable to the intense heat. When the supports gave way, so did some of the slab floors and once that started, no force in the universe would have stopped it.

13 posted on 07/10/2002 7:09:47 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: viligantcitizen
"IMHO the intense heat of the fire is what brought down the towers."

You are correct. The buildings demonstrably withstood the torsion loads applied. The culprit was the steel members, which melted due to the intense heat. Once the first set of members failed, they fell down upon the next set of steel members, and that weight then fell down upon the next set, etc.

It's what called a cascade failure......

14 posted on 07/10/2002 7:09:55 PM PDT by yooper
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To: Moonman62
I see no evidence that he did. The moving force of the airplanes was spread out over quite a bit of the supports of the floors that were hit, and some of the plane parts and fuel weren't even stopped by the buildings, but blew past and through. This is quite different from the force of the wind, applied uniformly to the surface only.
15 posted on 07/10/2002 7:10:20 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: blam
The buildings were both rocking significantly after the impacts. I was watching it on NBC (Today) and both Matt and Katie commented on how the buildings were moving back and forth. They said that some rocking was normal, but after the impacts it was more noticeable. Which brings up the thought that if 2 planes had hit one building, they could have created enough impact to cause a toppling. That would have resulted in massive casualties both within the toppling tower and in the adjoining builds in the path of the toppling.
16 posted on 07/10/2002 7:11:50 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: blam
The hijacked jetliners might have come close to toppling the World Trade Center Towers on impact on Sept. 11, according to new calculations by a Swarthmore College physics professor.

I don't believe this guy is credible. This guy is NOT a structural engineer. His "findings" that contradict engineering studies are highly questionable. And, in case anybody is wondering, I AM an engineer (mechanical).

17 posted on 07/10/2002 7:14:13 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Amerigomag
This is junk science that even a modestly uneducated eye could detect by simply reviewing the broadcast tapes.

Exactly how many scientific papers have you published, and where'd you get your Phd in Physics?

18 posted on 07/10/2002 7:16:15 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: muawiyah
Interesting analysis

Also bunk.

The analysis supposes: "if not for the fact that neither object is a rigid body and that the towers flexed quite a bit upon impact with the planes". In other words both the target (WTC tower) and the projectile (airliner) have to be rigid for these torque calculations to accurate, let alone effective vectors.

This article is the height of unethical spectulation by a supposedly educated scientist.

Glad my children aren't students in this professors classroom.

19 posted on 07/10/2002 7:16:40 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: habs4ever
It points out that two airliners attacking the same structure would topple it.His comments are consistent with accounts from survivors from WTC 2, who felt the building rock back and forth and were even pitched about a room due to the forces of impact.

I don't follow your argument. Flexure and fracture are two very different mechanisms. Just because a tree is moving in the breeze, that doesn't mean that it is ready to fall down.

20 posted on 07/10/2002 7:17:43 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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