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To: JohnFiorentino
Your statement investigators were "looking at other causes" is patently absurd on it's face. Really?!? Are you saying they weren't looking into other causes than a bomb or missile by February of 1997?

What you are saying in effect is, that in hindsight-- since you assert there is no evidence of foul play --it didn't matter that NTSB could not identify a potential witness, who was flying a plane over the TWA800 crash site.Not only do I assert there was no evidence of foul play, but so does the NTSB, the FBI, Boeing, ALPA, and TWA. Not a bad line up. And yes, you are correct. It did not matter that the NTSB couldn't track down the witness who was flying the plane. I don't have access to Exhibit 3E, and I don't know what effort was made to find the pilot. In the course of your investigation, did you discover whether or not the NTSB made any effort to track down the pilot of that aircraft?

Since you brought up circular arguments...if there is no evidence of foul play on the TWA 800 aircraft, why is it important to determine what the 30 knot track was. All the agencies I previously listed stated no evidence of a bomb or missile was found on the aircraft, and all concluded the break up sequence initiated in the CWT. It therefore doesn't matter if the 30 knot track was a rubber dingy or a Klingon warship. It didn't have anything to do with the destruction of TWA 800. I believe the only reason the FBI was interested in identifying the 30 knot track was because it was the only track they couldn't identify, and they wanted to be 100% on their ID's instead of 99%.

Finally, my assertions on the shoulder launched missile are exactly right. Read this TWA Flight 800 Missile Impact Analysis for additional info.

I will offer this to you. I will not be intentionly misleading or argumentative in my posts to you. This whole TWA 800 debacle has become a hobby of mine after reading fruit loop conspiracy threads that show up on FreeRepublic periodically. I have spent considerable time reading the NTSB report and most of the alternate theories on various conspiracy sites. I have been in the military since 1985 and have served in the Navy, the Air Force and the Air National Guard. I am not a "government shill" but that doesn't prevent me from agreeing with some of the products produced by our government. My biggest problem with the TWA 800 investigation was the over-eager and generally misguided inputs by the FBI, who interfered with the professional accident investigation team of the NTSB. Despite that interference, I think the final report produced by the NTSB is the closest anyone could come to identifying what happened to TWA 800.

55 posted on 07/27/2002 12:06:09 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
You seem like a relatively intelligent fellow, with slight leanings towards the MO of one Elmer Asmodeous Barr, whose main defense of the NTSB debacle seems to be calling people tin-foil hats, missile huggers and quoting the testimony of William Tobin ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

You seem to have little conception of what is involved in an unbiased, professional investigation. You make constant references to the official conclusions, which you use to justify the fact that NTSB was less than thorough in it's efforts. You can't say, because the official line is no evidence of foul play, that the 30-knot track, or the id of N776 is irrelevant, that IS circular. Until you see this main flaw in your reasoning, it will be difficult, time consuming, and most likely fruitless to continue our discussions.

I for one would like to continue. I have an initial impression of you at least, as being someone who has a reasonably open mind.

Let me state for the record my position, for what it is worth.

I don't buy the "official position".......I don't believe the investigation was thorough, I don't believe a "spark" of unknown origin was the causal factor. That being said, maybe we can continue?

You stated you have spent much time reading the NTSB report, then you say you don't have access to Ex. 3-E, can you explain that to me?

After you do that, can answer this?.......Do you have access to exhibit 18-A or text portions of the MSSG Report?

If you do, I will point you to an "interesting" anomaly.
56 posted on 07/27/2002 2:29:30 PM PDT by JohnFiorentino
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To: Rokke
I will offer this to you. I will not be intentionly misleading or argumentative in my posts to you. This whole TWA 800 debacle has become a hobby of mine after reading fruit loop conspiracy threads that show up on FreeRepublic periodically. I have spent considerable time reading the NTSB report and most of the alternate theories on various conspiracy sites.


Whats the latest line to explain the 'cocktail party' tape?
- I saw it the night of the incident, on network tv. - A short video camera shot from a party, looking out over the ocean, with a rising 'missle' track out to sea, ending in a flash from above camera range, and resulting confusion from the guests.

Never saw it played again, with no further explanation of what happened to the tape, or any eyewitness accounts to explain the incident.
--- Anyone have a clue, or were my lying eyes imagining things that night?
58 posted on 07/27/2002 7:41:37 PM PDT by tpaine
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