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Gold gain points to market meltdown
CBS MarketWatch ^ | 7/10/02 | Thom Calandra

Posted on 07/10/2002 8:46:09 AM PDT by arete

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- When gold stocks rise sharply as a group on extremely heavy volume, it's almost always a sign of trouble ahead for the overall stock market.

Analysts say the 7.5 percent advance for U.S.-traded gold shares earlier this week -- the sector's largest increase since May 2000 -- points to renewed interest in the metal. It's also a sign investors accept the possibility that the stock market, and the few industries still holding onto gains this year, could come crashing down in coming days or weeks.

Gold's price, subdued until this week, is up almost 20 percent from 12 months ago. The spot price on Wednesday morning in New York was $315 an ounce, down $1.40 after an almost a gain of $4 the previous day. Trading activity in top gold mining companies like Newmont Mining (NEM), Gold Fields Ltd. (GFI) and Barrick Gold (ABX: news, chart, profile) is regularly exceeding the stocks' three-month volume averages.

Analysts and newsletter writers say the metal and corresponding shares have been the winners at a time when the stock market and the U.S. dollar are the losers. What is new, however, is the growing belief that the metal's gains, and those of gold mining companies, are telltale signs of an impending stock-market meltdown.

"What the market seems to be saying is that we've seen the end of Wall Street's oversold relief rally, and the resumption of gold's bull trend," said Bob Bishop, the longtime editor of Gold Mining Stock Report. "I'm guessing that (the July 5) lows in many gold stocks are likely to be the lows for some time, principally because of the amount of bad news that appears to be baked in the cake of the broader market and the U.S. dollar. That's good for gold, and bad for U.S. stocks and the dollar."

Gold shares Wednesday morning were down a little more than 1 percent, as measured by the XAU (XAU) index of major miners.

Barry Cooper, gold mining analyst at CIBC World Markets in Toronto, is convinced gold's gains will proceed lockstep with the fall of the dollar against other major currencies, such as the euro. The euro is flirting with the $1 level for the first time since January 2000.

The rise of gold mining shares "suggests the broader markets are not that healthy, but most people could have surmised that," says Cooper. "The equities have been leaders to bullion for the past while so I would expect we will see some further strength coming." One of Cooper's top gold stocks, Canada's Goldcorp. (GG: news, chart, profile), staged a 9 percent gain in a single day this week.

Joseph Duarte, a Dallas fund manager and author of "Successful Energy Sector Investing," says the mining companies' stellar stock-market gains this year bode poorly for other industries. "Gold is the refuge du jour, because there isn't any place else to run. Hospitals, HMOs, drugs, banks, oil -- everything that is 'safe' is getting clobbered," Duarte said Wednesday.

Homebuilder stocks were one of the few industries holding onto substantial gains this year. No more. Adds Duarte: "Look at the charts of the home builders, especially Toll Bros. (TOL: news, chart, profile) and Ryland Group (RYL: news, chart, profile). These stocks are clearly under heavy selling pressure, suggesting that even these invincible stocks are being abandoned. That may well be the sign that indeed capitulation is either here or just around the corner, as when people are truly getting scared."

Not everyone expects a surge for gold this summer, traditionally a weak season for jewelry sales. James Turk, founder of payment system GoldMoney.com and a longtime precious metals newsletter editor, sees a trading range of $300 to $320 an ounce for gold "in the next 2-3 months, then gold makes another attempt to hurdle $325 in September or October."

Mike Darda, an economist at Polyconomics Inc. in Parsippany, N.J., sees a "slight upward bias" for dollar-gold prices, "but not a bias that will cause the price to rise by leaps and bounds. We'd need an attack on Iraq for that -- and we still think that prospect remains remote." Polyconomics sees gold prices moved most by the supply and demand for currency and bank reserves, which are influenced in turn by tax policy expectations and geopolitical developments.

"For gold to fall hard, we would need to see a turn in U.S. fiscal policy (i.e. a cut in the capital-gains tax) or another big downshift in global political risk," Darda says.

John C. Doody, editor of Gold Stock Analyst, expects that gold mining shares will continue to reflect gains in the metal. The "rule of thumb is a 1 percent change in gold price yields a 3 percent change in stock price," says Doody. "This is because the price increase adds directly to the bottom line, or takes from it if the price falls. Witness the recent $15-an-ounce slide, or 5 percent, that saw most stocks off 15 percent to 20 percent."

Higher gold prices provide gold miners with more cash flow from their annual production. Investors in turn are more willing to pay a higher price for a miner's reserves, generally 10 times annual production for the best companies. "The price increase," he says, "makes all the reserves more profitable and may make marginal ounces profitable now, which weren't economic at a lower price."


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Watch out for a break in the housing market.

Richard W.

1 posted on 07/10/2002 8:46:09 AM PDT by arete
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To: sinkspur; bvw; Tauzero; kezekiel; ChadGore; Harley - Mississippi; Dukie; Matchett-PI; Moonman62; ...
FYI

Comments and opinions welcome.

Richard W.

2 posted on 07/10/2002 8:47:53 AM PDT by arete
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To: arete
Watch out for a break in the housing market.

Care to elaborate? I am a prospective first time homebuyer, and I have been wondering if there is any sense in trying to "time" the real estate market (i.e., wait for it to settle down.) I imagine there are wide differences from region to region. My attitude is to look for as good a deal as possible that makes sense for our wants and just go for it.

3 posted on 07/10/2002 8:48:53 AM PDT by Huck
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To: arete
Looks like you keep track of this fairly closely.
What are YOUR opinions.

Personally, I always see gold as a good hedge against a crash.

4 posted on 07/10/2002 8:52:36 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: arete
In your face nay-sayers! Destructor told ya so.
5 posted on 07/10/2002 8:54:04 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: arete
Or maybe the housing market will continue to be strong as people continue to stay on the sidelines of the stock market.
6 posted on 07/10/2002 8:55:45 AM PDT by TBall
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To: Huck
My wife and I are in the same predicament. We're first time homebuyers and almost bought a house in Morris County NJ last year. For a variety of reasons we didn't go through with the deal. Very similar homes on that same block are now going for $ 100,000 more a year later. Now we have to decide to jump in now before they go higher and risk falling home prices due to the impending bear market or waiting longer just to see the homes go up another $ 100,000. Good luck.
7 posted on 07/10/2002 8:57:13 AM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: arete
Gold hasn't even recovered to the levels it was in the 70's. Why do people keep betting on it?...You can't eat it, drink it or put it in a gun.
8 posted on 07/10/2002 8:59:06 AM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: arete
Gold mining stocks are the only thing I own that are positive over the last 12 months. And with the dollar weakening, the price pressure on this international commodity is upward, so I'm not about to sell and take profits at this point.
9 posted on 07/10/2002 8:59:26 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: arkfreepdom
YOU are TOO logical....LOL
10 posted on 07/10/2002 9:00:16 AM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: Destructor
Wow, gold at $315 an ounce......
Gee, just before Y2K, gold was selling at $321/oz.....
Guess that means people that got in then only lost $6/oz.....
Oh well, it beats Telecom stocks.....
NeverGore :^)
11 posted on 07/10/2002 9:01:14 AM PDT by nevergore
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To: arete; Orual; aculeus; general_re; Poohbah
"O Lord, please send us disaster, despair and doom."

-- The Goldbugs' Prayer.

12 posted on 07/10/2002 9:05:57 AM PDT by dighton
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To: MattinNJ
Good luck to you too. We're looking in the "Skylands" region. Byram Twp., Sussex Co. Lately we're looking at West Milford, which is darn near in New York state. Nice up there. Morris County is expensive. I have been looking for historical data on housing booms--what the curve ends up looking like, do they bust quick, or slowly, etc. And of course, you have to wonder if interest rates won't rise as housing prices fall. We will probably just end up buying something we like and take our chances. We want to get it done within the next 12 months. Almost have the cash saved up. I want to preserve a good cash emergency cushion on top of the down payment. About 6 months worth. Anyway, good luck to you too.
13 posted on 07/10/2002 9:06:24 AM PDT by Huck
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To: arete
I think there will be some real values in housing before this is over, as people are unable to meet even the relatively low cost loans they have out.
But then I know nothing, looks like I misjudged the gold market, I expected a drop to closer to $300/oz before the next gold bull, the Feb. 02 futures are starting to make that look unlikely.
14 posted on 07/10/2002 9:07:23 AM PDT by steve50
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To: Just another Joe
Looks like you keep track of this fairly closely. What are YOUR opinions.

I'm just like most other people -- fearfull of a possible financial crisis and looking for answers. I also realize that I need to make myself aware of what is really going on instead of just accepting what the latest "talking head" is saying on CNBC.

Try reading the MarketWrapUp's posted every evening here on FR by rohry. You will learn more than I can tell you and you will be able to participate in some pretty insightful discussions.

Richard W.

15 posted on 07/10/2002 9:09:29 AM PDT by arete
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To: arete; decarlo
Watch out for a break in the housing market.

Bump.

16 posted on 07/10/2002 9:09:38 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: arete
I hear the "gold-market update" on the radio everyday and in essense this is what he says :
If the price of gold is up, it shows it is a great investment -- BUY GOLD!
If the price of gold is down, then take advantage of the dip in price -- BUY GOLD!
If the market is down, it shows that you are losing money in stocks -- BUY GOLD!
If the market is up, then the price of gold will be down so see # 2 above and take advantage of the dip -- BUY GOLD!!

Of course at the end of the "update" he lets you know that he knows what he's talking about because he just happens to be a gold broker whom you should call to take advantage of this tremendous opportunity in GOLD!
CALL NOW!! NOW!! NOW!! NOW!!

17 posted on 07/10/2002 9:09:48 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: steve50
I think there will be some real values in housing before this is over, as people are unable to meet even the relatively low cost loans they have out.

So you don't see any inflation on the horizon?

18 posted on 07/10/2002 9:12:07 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: Huck
I imagine there are wide differences from region to region.

Mostly it has always been location, given that, the differences in sectors can be as great as the differences in regions. You may find single-family homes in older developments going at a discount while two-family homes sell at a premium to asking price. The risk is while waiting for prices to go down, rates may rise and credit may be harder to get, do your homework.

19 posted on 07/10/2002 9:13:33 AM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: ZGuy
BUY GOLD!

What if he's right?

Richard W.

20 posted on 07/10/2002 9:13:40 AM PDT by arete
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