Posted on 07/10/2002 7:19:19 AM PDT by DoctorMichael
Not to mention the FACT that the homosexual is the State's ideal citizen in many key respects.
Link me to this lengthy discussion you had with Mendes where he says such things. Like I posted to DoctorMichael, you will never convice me you didn't watch the film with those notions already planted in your head.
You guys read too much into movies. Nothing can be entertainment anymore. I thought the movie was an accurate portrait of how screwed up many people are.
The sort of "message" you claim is there can not be conveyed "subliminally", one has to cognitively accept it, as you obviously have. Based upon your claim, my views have been changed by this movie, and I do not even know it. LOL!!
Yes, that was a consideration of mine. In the future, I'll make sure I get reviews from these guys before every movie I watch, just to make sure I understand the proper message ;-)
Irony is a delicate mental pose, though. It's very difficult to balance on it, or to keep your eye on the truth from its vantage point. One stiff wind and you fall off into the pit of the lie.
I ask you one simple question. If a body is on a slab at the morgue, can the examiner of the cold one point to ONE verifiable indicator of a predisposition to homosexual behavior? (Other than the physical damage caused by homosexual activity.)
C'mon! A strand of DNA, a fragment of tissue from deep inside the skull that can only be spotted with a microscope. A cell with pink, lacey panties, a neuron that solicits anonymous sex acts in public bathrooms, a phagocyte in leather and chains?
Sorry, with all due respect, I disagree. I believe either you saw a different "American Beauty" than most people, or THAT idea was put in your head before you saw the movie. Let me explain my POV.............
Using the article I posted for this Thread as a reference point................the marine dad/character obviously was put there to JAM; ie. the character illustrated one of the points of the strategy listed above in the article.
In other words he was there to Jam homohatred [i.e., opposition to homosexuality] by linking it to the military (Nazi horror). Much the same as Kirk and Madsen urge the association of all detractors with images like “Klansmen demanding that gays be slaughtered,” “hysterical backwoods preachers,” “menacing punks,” and a “tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed”..............the homosexual screenwriter/propagandist links 'homo-hatred' to this military dad. The dad beats up his neighbor for showing, what the believes to be homosexual tendancies!.........How horrid of him!; How non-open-minded!, How repressive!, How unliberated!, How antiquated!; How close-minded!; How American middle-class! How military of him!
NOT ONLY THAT BUT.............the dad beats up his son for loving a girl! Therefore additionally, by having the same character show disdain for both his neighbor's AND his son's behaviors the writer not only accomplish the 'Jamming' but he successfully links in the viewers mind natural heterosexual yearnings for love AND homosexual lust.
Bottom-line on my POV: Congratulations! You have been successfully programmed by the screenwriter!
The dad beats up his neighbor for showing, what the believes to be homosexual tendancies!.........
This scene was not in the editors uncensored cut. I have no idea what part of the movie you are talking about. The dad never beat up a neighbor.
Congratulations! You have been successfully programmed by the screenwriter!
You guys keep saying this, but have never explained what I have been "programed" of. My views on queers has not changed. How you can claim a movie has "subliminally affected" people you have never met is beyond me. Wait, are you really Ms. Cleo? Come on, fess up.
Please read the following review from NATIONAL REVIEW by Jonah Goldberg:
http://www.nationalreview.com/weekend/culture/culture-goldberg101200.shtml
An interesting paragraph:
"American Beauty won the Oscar for best picture last year, but it wasn't alone in its message. Indeed, the winners in almost every major category involved some variation on the theme that external moral authority is illegitimate, or that personally designed morality is superior. For example, another academy favorite was Boys Don't Cry, a film about a petty criminal, a transsexual woman who prefers masquerading as a boy in order to seduce and bed teenage girls. What raised the film to heroic status for Hollywood is its assertion that America remains, at heart, a nation of sexual fascists who cruelly impose conventional bourgeois standards on courageous nonconformists...........contention that not only should sexual appetites be indulged, but those who most fully indulge them, without regret or remorse, are living the most authentic lives"
Hmmmmmmmmmm..............it appears that this reviewer from NR saw "a different American Beauty" from yourself.
I'm sorry, but this movie was rotten to the core and other people saw this too.
Good luck to you.
(And you still never explained how I have been programed by not accepting your view of the movie).
Within a generation you'll be a societal outcast if you don't practice homosexuality.
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