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Singer's remark riles Hispanics -- Greeley debates 'English' comment
Denver Post ^ | July 9, 2002 | Michael Riley

Posted on 07/09/2002 10:43:24 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan

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To: Luis Gonzalez
BTW, why do you direct your comments strictly at Hispanics? Is it OK for other nationalities NOT to speak English after migrating here?

The bulk of the immigrants coming in today are Hispanic, and this story was about them, they're the ones complaining about Brock's remarks. But no, I expect ALL immigrants to learn English as a prerequisite to becoming a citizen.

361 posted on 07/10/2002 8:35:10 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Tancredo Fan
Kudos and Ping to this gentleman
God Bless him
362 posted on 07/10/2002 8:38:53 AM PDT by DM1
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Get out of town!!! Really?

First I respond to your comment that there's nothing in the Constitution that makes English the national language, and then you agree with me unofficially it is. So why are you getting so angry at all of us who expect immigrants to learn it?

363 posted on 07/10/2002 8:40:19 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Tancredo Fan
"Public funds should not be used to foster hatred, division and prejudice in this community," said Roberto Córdova, a Hispanic studies professor at the University of Northern Colorado.

Guess you should then quit your publicly funded job at UNC, Roberto.

364 posted on 07/10/2002 9:00:35 AM PDT by hattend
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To: Luis Gonzalez
My point, the one that I have been making since my arrival on the thread, is that the First Amendment to the constitution prevents the Feds from establishing an official language.

It absolutely does no such thing!!!! The First Amendment prohibits restictions on our speech...it does not in any way shape or form determine what languages may be used or barred. If English were enacted as our official language it would simply mean that all official business of the US gov't would be conducted in English...road signs, tax forms, etc and it would preclude ferderal funding for bi0lingual programs. It would not prevent you from speaking Spaninsh or French or Esperanta to anyone you wanted to. Good grief, do you think High School Spanish classes would become illegal?

365 posted on 07/10/2002 9:08:31 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Brownie74; Drill Alaska; healey22; lutine; Right_Makes_Might; wku man; sonofliberty2; ...
Get a load of what that loathsome Denver PC rag is saying about this incident:

Y'all don't come back

Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - Editorial - Denver Post

Country and western singer Chad Brock stepped into the mother of all cow pies in his boorish performance at the Greeley Independence Stampede. His comment that immigrants should learn to speak English offended many Latinos who'd gone there to hear him sing.

They're not the only ones offended: We also take umbrage at this loutish misuse of an entertainment venue to insult immigrant communities on the nation's birthday.

"You are coming to our country," the singer said between sets. "We don't speak Russian. We don't speak Spanish. We speak English here."

Although some members of the audience cheered, many Latinos walked out on the performer. Brock is entitled to his opinion, but the people who went to hear him expected to be entertained - not insulted. (It might be another matter entirely if Brock's schtick were in-your-face banter ala Don Rickles.)

Brock said later that he didn't realize Greeley had such a large Latino population and was sorry if he offended anybody but that he wouldn't apologize for his remarks. "I am not a racist," he said. "I wasn't directing the comments toward any particular group. I was speaking my mind as an American."

Indeed, Greeley's Hispanic population nearly doubled during the 1990s, and some members of the community like Jorge Amaya, director of the Northern Colorado Chamber of Commerce, are demanding that Stampede organizers and Greeley city officials condemn Brock's remarks.

That's an excessive demand, given that spokesman Kyle Holman's comment that the Stampede was "not at all pleased that it happened on our stage" effectively amounts to an apology. And, despite the inappropriateness of the venue, we do not believe it is the Stampede's job, or the city's, to "condemn" the content of anyone's political speech, however misguided.

Brock's lack of manners and sensitivity may in part be explained by the fact that he is a former professional wrestler, and whoever said "couth" and pro wrestling belonged in the same sentence?

Given the ill feeling that the Stampede's cancellation of Fiesta Day already has caused in the Latino community, organizers didn't need Brock's sorry display, and they should take care never to book him - or the horse he rode in on - again.

366 posted on 07/10/2002 9:10:15 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Torie
Well maybe you are Native American. If not, actually a considerable number of folks living in what is now New Mexico spoke Spanish prior to the Mayflower showing up off Plymouth Rock. Several hundred thousand of their decendants now still live in the state.

I'm not Native American, my mother is Cajun and Spanish, her Spanish ancestors were among the original settlers in Louisiana,(and my entire family speak English, although some of the old timers still speak French at home...they don't bother the rest of us demanding bi-lingual education though) and my father's people were at Jamestown...also several years before those Yankees got to Massachusettes.

367 posted on 07/10/2002 9:14:00 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"The illegal newcomers tried to turn New Mexico into an English speaking state during the 19th century." from your post #23

"Please refrain from telling me what I think. I have made no argument about the legality of the incorporation of NM into the US." from your post #258

"As long as you continue to make up things about me and post them, your postings cannot be taken seriously."

So, what have I made up about you? Are you now trying to deny you said what you did in these postings? All I've done is pointed out is that you're making absolutely no sense, and you apparently side ideologically with the Arabs in Israel. If you can't handle someone analyzing your moronic statements about the "illegal" settlement of New Mexico, then don't post them. What are you a "doctor" of anyway? I hope you're a professor of some sort (that would explain a lot), and not an MD. Sheesh...

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

368 posted on 07/10/2002 9:18:33 AM PDT by wku man
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To: Under the Radar
Yeah, things are getting crazy. There are parts of Smyrna that have busstop advertisements in Spanish. Many of the billboards in that particular area are in Spanish, etc.

This doesn't apply to most areas, but it is steadily growing. Chamblee looks like another country, and Norcross is getting that way. Clarkston, Smyrna, Marietta, Forest Park, Lawrenceville, Roswell, Canton and Jonesboro have areas that are little Mexicos (not literally named, but you get the picture).

Granted, at least we have Acworth, Kennesaw, Hiram, Alpharetta, Duluth, Buford, Snellville, Peachtree City, Douglasville, Woodstock, Stockbridge, McDonough, Fayetteville, Vinings, Conyers, Suwanee, Powder Springs, East Cobb, as well as a few other places, that aren't having a problem with illegal immigration.

Regarding Brunswick and the Georgia Coast, I don't think that they've received too many illegals. The Georgia Mountains have a larger population of illegals than does the coast.

You can also take heart in that good ol' southern cookin' is still around.

369 posted on 07/10/2002 9:19:01 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Tancredo Fan
Look like your typical communist dribble. Is this one of those communist "sex" mags that feature insane liberal stories, and then have back pages of sexual ads?
370 posted on 07/10/2002 9:28:25 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Torie
And BTW, I'm not opposed to lawful immigration. I welcome anyone of any heritage who sincerely wants to be American...I simply loathe those who come with their hands already out expecting us to support them and to adjust our ways to suit them. We have a culture and if anyone doesn't like they ought to head back across the border. But if they want to embrace America and become Americans...I say welcome.
371 posted on 07/10/2002 9:28:36 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Tancredo Fan
Or is it a real newspaper. It's hard to tell these days.
372 posted on 07/10/2002 9:28:45 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Luis Gonzalez
While I haven't addressed a single post to you, you decide to come here flinging unprovoked attacks

Hey louie, you want to see some unprovoked attacks? Would you care to see them louie? Here let me give you an example of one of your pathetic post.

To: Joe Hadenuf; Marine Inspector; Jhoffa

Here, I'll prove you wrong. MI, we do not see eye to eye on the issue at hand, yet, while we've had heated arguements, I don't believe that I've ever called you a racist or a bigot, have I? Jimmy, what about you?

386 posted on 6/15/02 3:55 PM Pacific by Luis Gonzalez [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 381 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

You have called so many people racist, they you can't even remember who you called racist. LOL! You have to ask them!!

Care to see more louie?

373 posted on 07/10/2002 9:29:18 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Doctor Stochastic
You're comments have been utterly ridiculous. You're arguments are obtuse, full of logical fallacy, and facile. Not to mention wrong.

That chip on your shoulder is making you shame yourself.

375 posted on 07/10/2002 9:58:21 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: wku man
I have never denied what I said. You continually re-write them.
376 posted on 07/10/2002 10:00:44 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Tancredo Fan
Learn to habla or go home.
377 posted on 07/10/2002 2:19:50 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Drill Alaska
Pat is absolutely correct.
379 posted on 07/10/2002 3:48:11 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Drill Alaska
BUMP THAT....
380 posted on 07/10/2002 3:49:44 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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