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Men filming ferry ride raise suspicion [Tacoma, WA]
tribnet.com ^ | July 7, 2002

Posted on 07/07/2002 4:10:56 AM PDT by TomGuy

Men filming ferry ride raise suspicion

The Associated Press

State ferry officials have told the U.S. Coast Guard and the Washington State Patrol about two groups of men taking extensive videotapes on state ferries in the past 10 days.

Four men who appeared to be of Middle Eastern descent were videotaping, taking notes and talking on cellphones during two round trips June 24 on the ferry Spokane between Edmonds and Kingston, said Susan Harris of the Washington State Ferries.

"They seemed to be filming more of the interior of the cabin rather than the normal tourist filming, which is always the exterior," she said.

They became agitated when told to leave the vessel at each terminal as required, she said. The captain went home and decided to report the incident the next day.

On July 3, a different group of men appearing to be of Middle Eastern descent took extensive videotapes on the ferry Tacoma between Bainbridge and Seattle, she said.

"They were filming all over the place" even before boarding the ferry, and some observers said they were just tourists, she said.

She said no terrorist incidents have occurred on the ferries.

"There's no proof that there's anything to be concerned about; it's just that we're on heightened alert," she said.

Chief Warrant Officer Ray Cain with the Coast Guard said the incidents have been reported to the State Patrol, which handles law enforcement on the ferries, because they are considered part of the highway system.

"They were notified and they would investigate, trying to identify any such individuals," Cain said.

State Patrol officials were not available for comment late Friday.

(Published 12:30AM, July 6th, 2002)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: cameraincidents; ferry; memenfilming; videotaping
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To: per loin
Good Stuff! You can film the Muslim terrorists and give the image to the FBI. Maybe after you empty your Glock in the pagan!
21 posted on 07/07/2002 5:15:04 AM PDT by STD
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To: 2sheep
"STD reported on another thread tonight that the Muslims are sending their families home to the M.E., presumably to get them out of harm's way. Now THAT should be a concern."

That is like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

22 posted on 07/07/2002 5:18:50 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: 2sheep
STD reported on another thread tonight that the Muslims are sending their families home to the M.E., presumably to get them out of harm's way.

Do you have a link for this?

The LAX murderer's family returned to Egypt about a week before he "went crazy" and "acted alone."
23 posted on 07/07/2002 5:19:24 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: per loin
America is at war, and many of the enemy are living among us.

Agreed. I don't care if taking their pictures of them taking pictures/filming hurts their feeeeeeelings.

24 posted on 07/07/2002 5:21:33 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: TomGuy
"The targets will not be normal military war targets. The targets will be those things that can cause disruption to the economy, cost dollars and lives, etc. [Think outside the box.] "

What do you think's meant by public events and power lines? The "in the box thinking" involves dropping bridges and sinking ferries. Very WWII'ish. Too much effort required for too little return. It would take 100 of them to compare to 911.

These guys are toast, and people just don't recognize it yet, perhaps not even them. As long as we keep reasonably alert and keep the pressure up on their funding and eliminate their shelters, they're the walking dead. People are looking backwards. I've seen it before.

25 posted on 07/07/2002 5:24:53 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: per loin
"A semi-sized truck bomb, exploded as the ferry rammed the carrier might not sink it, but would certainly damage it, and would be the type coup that al Queda loves."

Sounds to me like a waste of a good bomb, but I guess it's possible.

26 posted on 07/07/2002 5:28:06 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: Wonder Warthog
"but taking out a ferry is as simple as driving a van or several car-trunks full of explosives on board and setting them off."

Perhaps, It depends on a lot of things.

27 posted on 07/07/2002 5:31:15 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
Compared to a semi, the bomb that disabled the Cole was tiny.
28 posted on 07/07/2002 5:31:20 AM PDT by per loin
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To: TomGuy
Excellent idea! Thanx for the tip.

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=&product%5Fid=63%2D1146 Meade 'CaptureView' Integrated Binocular & Digital Camera can be purchased on-line.

29 posted on 07/07/2002 5:33:06 AM PDT by BullDog108
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To: elfman2
"Perhaps, It depends on a lot of things."

Note, that by "taking out", I am NOT implying that the ferry be sunk. Even a small explosion on the car deck of a ferry will cause severe damage, kill a significant number of people, and generate a lot of "terror" footage (news coverage). Of course, a bigger explosion will do more of the above.

30 posted on 07/07/2002 5:37:58 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: per loin
While I agree, I'm still not convinced such an action would be the devastating hit that they are hoping for in this country. But then, I'm not sure we will see the likes of 9/11 again - unless they are able to significantly hit a dam or nuke plant. At this point these folks appear to be incompetent....thank God.
31 posted on 07/07/2002 5:38:28 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Incompetent? How many FBI agents have they tied up by activating one limo driver with a pistol?
32 posted on 07/07/2002 5:41:16 AM PDT by per loin
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To: per loin
"Compared to a semi, the bomb that disabled the Cole was tiny."

Do you know what kind of explosive was used on the Cole and how close it got? I hope if they're able to reproduce it here, they'll spend it on an attempt to get that semi that close to a docked carrier.

33 posted on 07/07/2002 5:43:53 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: TomGuy
I saw a much harder-hitting report on KIRO 7 TV news last night. They didn't use hedging words, such as "appeared to be of Middle Eastern descent," they came right out quoting the sources as saying the men were Middle Eastern, etc. This article is awash in mitigations that represent the pre-9/11 mentality in the US.

The article fails to mention some of the most key points I saw on the news, such as one of the men drove away in a car that had NO license plates.

I must say I sense a need for our local authorities to get themselves folded into some heavy-duty info exchanges, investigations, and action plans with the feds on this.

34 posted on 07/07/2002 5:46:24 AM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: Wonder Warthog
"Even a small explosion on the car deck of a ferry will cause severe damage, kill a significant number of people, and generate a lot of "terror" footage (news coverage). "

Yep. Even filming a ferry generates a lot of terror if you let it.

35 posted on 07/07/2002 5:46:59 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: TomGuy; Yehuda; doug from upland; Shermy
Death of a thousand cuts. Hit them at airline counters, parks, ferries (Because victims cannot escape while you shoot at them), airplanes, buses, inside buildings...
36 posted on 07/07/2002 5:47:24 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: goodnesswins; anniegetyourgun; Libertina
FYI
37 posted on 07/07/2002 5:51:24 AM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: TomGuy
They became agitated when told to leave the vessel at each terminal as required, she said. The captain went home and decided to report the incident the next day.

Why did the captain wait? He should have notified the Coast Guard and State Patrol of the incident as it was occurring and intercepted these guys when they docked. This is another example of the PC anasthesia that's gripping this country.

There's no proof that there's anything to be concerned about; it's just that we're on heightened alert,"

Repeat after me...9-11, 9-11, 9-11

38 posted on 07/07/2002 5:57:03 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: elfman2
When I lived in South Africa and travelled to Zimbabwe in the early 80s you could see the concern about economic disruption in both countries--primarily by how heavily they guarded electrical substations, as well as fuel depots. Ours are woefully defenseless.
39 posted on 07/07/2002 6:01:25 AM PDT by twntaipan
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To: elfman2
As memory has it, they used C-4 at contact range, or very near that.

As for getting close to an aircraft carrier, are you familiar with how close the ferry dock is to the shipyards, or how often the Washington State Ferries have mechanical or personel problems that put the ferries where thay ought not be? I'd expect any terrorist worth his salt would have the sense to fake steering problems, and possibly generate some onboard fire or smoke. How quickly do you figure a carrier, or its protectors would fire on a disabled ferry, loaded with passengers, coming up the inlet?

40 posted on 07/07/2002 6:07:56 AM PDT by per loin
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