[aculeus]

Discuss among yourselves.

[arm958]

Just one woman? If we are going to re-write history let's do it correctly (as in politically correct). I have newly discovered evidence that there was an African-American Apostle also.......

[Consort]

Instead of Junia, maybe they meant Junior, as in St. Junior.

[Dajjal]

Help me out here. Biblical scholars say that the Resurrection never happened, but that Joanna/Junia was a witness of the Resurrection, who received a sex change in the KJV. Have I got it all right?

[philman_36]

Although Jerome, regarded as the most important religious scholar of that time, considered Junia to be a woman, subsequent translations in the Middle Ages and the King James Bible changed her name to the male Junias.
I don't know what KJV Bible Professor Bauckham has been using, but my Dake's Annotated has Junia in it, not Junias.
I'm not going through the boxes of books I've got to find one of my older KJV Bibles right now.
I believe the man is a little late to the show myself.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

"Remember, Bauckham, it's not a lie if you believe it."

[xzins]

This is the sole verse in the entire bible that mentions Junias. It is in a greetings section at the end of the book of Romans. I have provided it in a literal translation from the Greek (YLT).

Romans 16:7 salute Andronicus and Junias, my kindred, and my fellow-captives, who are of note among the apostles, who also have been in Christ before me.

Adronicus and Junias are: (1) Paul's kindred or relatives. (2) Prisoners with him, (3) two persons whom the apostles have noticed...i.e., 2 non-apostles who have been noted by the apostles is the most comfortable reading of this text, (4) they were Christians before Paul was a Christian.

There is no female apostle in this text AND everything else is absolutely pure conjecture that will be thrown out of serious theological discussions, not because of sex bias, but because of the paucity of the argument.

[elcaudillo]

This ridiculous article coming from the premier newspaper from a Godless country sinking into the tar pit of atheism.

[aruanan]

As Junia, she was described by St Paul in a letter to the Romans as “prominent among the Apostles”. She was a wealthy woman from King Herod’s court who turned to Jesus after seeing Him heal a friend’s wife, he says.

There are several problems:

1. the story makes it appear that Paul said in Romans that Junia was a wealthy woman from Herod's court, etc., etc.. It doesn't. This is conjecture on the prof's part and probably bad writing on the part of the correspondent filing the story.

2. people nowadays assume "apostle" to be synonymous with "one of The Twelve". It wasn't. Paul was considered, though not by himself, to have been one of the greatest apostles, though he was not one of The Twelve. Furthermore, Paul said that both Andronicus and Junias were a. "outstanding among the apostles", b. had been in prison with him, and c. were his relatives. If, by the last, he was merely referring to "brothers and sisters in Christ", we could also ask why no amazement on the prof's part over what could have been a Gentile apostle. There's certainly more evidence in the text for this than for his assertion that Julias is really Joanna who underwent a nominal sex-change operation.

3. The transmutation of Joanna to Junias is something that took place in the prof's own mind in order that his thesis be established. True, Joanna, Susanna, and many other women helped to support the ministry of Jesus:

After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, 2. and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; 3. Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.
--Luke 8:1-3

But none of this is establishing her (or Susanna) as an apostle. The prof has to get creative here. What role of the women in the Gospels does show, though, is that in the Gospel accounts and the rest of the NT the women weren't described as meek, submissive workhorses for the men. While the remainder of The Twelve were hiding out in fear of getting arrested, the women were trudging down before dawn with a load of embalming spices to a site with a sealed tomb and Roman guards ordered to maintain an perimeter between the body and everyone else. The women were intent on getting in and doing what needed to be done. The women, not The Eleven, discovered that Jesus had been resurrected. So much for those who talk about the "male-dominated" early church. Women were described throughout the New Testament as being in prominent, important positions.

Bottom line: the prof, building his thesis from one reference to Junias in Romans and two references to Joanna in the book of Luke, is being somewhat less creative than those who claimed Jesus to have been a psychedelic mushroom, though not much.

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

Based upon the shifting back and forth of the grammatical gender-of her/him name-"IT" was actually a cross-dresser. This fits in with present day mores(if one can even call them mores.)

[habaes corpussel]

Sure I will take the word of the Church of England anytime. (gag)....Whats a little fact bending between Churches every now and then.

[SEA]

Did I miss something? Which of the 12 was she supposed to be?

[Don Myers]

Next, these guys and gals will be saying that Jesus was actually a woman. Actually, there are already rumors spread that God is a woman. Of course, the feminazis believe they are god, anyway.

[RightWhale]

This is apparently a sore point with some. Thanks to extensive editing of the record, it is nearly impossible to discover what exactly went on in those days. You know they trot out Magdalene's skull annually in the south of France?

[patent]

20 years from now the Anglicans will be discussion a paper that proves she was actually a cross dressing alien.

patent