One of Apostles was a woman, Church is told

The Times (UK) ^ | July 06, 2002 | Our Religion Correspondent

[onedoug]

#19: Feminism & PC-dom aside....

Indeed, always interesting.

[Jhoffa_]

A deacon or deaconess is a servant....not a (servant) leader. We are all called to be servants. We are not all called to be leaders of the church.

Agreed.

But my point was simply, if the Bible acknowledges a female "Deaconess" and praises her.. Then why would they lie about this female apostle?

The reason femals apostles aren't mentioned is because they didn't exist..

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Paul was not one of the original twelve whom Jesus chose (Simon Peter; Andrew; James and John, the sons of Zebedee; Phillip; Bartholomew; Matthew; Thomas; James, son of Alphaeus; Thaddaeus; Simon of the Zealot party; and Judas Iscariot, later replaced by #13,Matthias). He is considered an Apostle in the spiritual sense because of his great evangelism. You don't think he was worthy of being called an Apostle?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I should have been a little more specific in my previous post. The nature of Paul's conversion in Acts, Chapter 9 and the vision of Ananias tells us that Paul was called by Jesus in a vision and is considered to be the 'Apostle to the Gentiles'.

[SEA]

Did I miss something? Which of the 12 was she supposed to be?

[Mark17]

Might you comment on #36? Thanks.

Yes, I believe that is true, and she may not have been the only woman to stay around while the men fled. I am not 100% sure of this, but I will say what I think and maybe you can comment. I have heard, that up until Saul of Tarsus (later Paul the Apostle) those Jews were not persecuting women, so maybe the women hung around, because they knew they would be safe, where the men did not. When Saul was persecuting the early church, he did start persecuting women too. As I said, this is what I have heard in the past, but don't know how much validity there is.

Bien Hoa AB, RVN

[onedoug]

...Or at least thought it to be safer for themselves, as women.

An interesting aspect. Though it still must have taken great courage for Mary Magdelen to come forth with what she'd witnessed, given the charged atmosphere. One of my hero(in)es, sure.

God's grace to you.

Roughly Hoi An to Quang Ngai and all points west.

[Mark17]

Though it still must have taken great courage for Mary Magdelen to come forth with what she'd witnessed, given the charged atmosphere.

Well, I am sure there is no doubt she was courageous, and there are many courageous, deeply committed Christian women in the Bible. The point of this thread, however, is was there a female Apostle, and I don't think there were any.

I have not returned to VN, and most likey will not. My next trip will be to the Philippines, to bring home a young (with an emphasis on young) Christian woman as a wife.

[ninenot]

I think the justification for a celibate priesthood is greater than the justification for an all male priesthood. There are no physical limitations that can keep women from a priestly vocation.

Except, of course, that the priest is alter Christus, another Christ.

That would be masculine...

[ninenot]

Isn't it amazing how they 'discover' things ex post facto to justify their departures from traditional Church practice and teaching?

In a few months someone else will discover that a couple of the Apostles were married to each other as gays.

[A6M3]

You did it again, you gave me everything you could, except that which is relevant, chapter and verse. Until you can quote chapter and verse to substantiate your position, you have no valid position, and I am reluctantly forced to repeat, no chapter and verse, no sale.

[Don Myers]

Next, these guys and gals will be saying that Jesus was actually a woman. Actually, there are already rumors spread that God is a woman. Of course, the feminazis believe they are god, anyway.

[tiki]

I have absolutely no doubt that women were very important in the formation of the Church and neither does the Catholic Church. This is what happens when Churches or religions leave out the very important inclusion of Mary, the Mother of our Lord as someone to be highly esteemed and respected. If Mary wasn't an Apostle then I don't believe I would even consider that any other woman was.

This is all just a bunch of liberal claptrap and a feminazi political agenda.

[Bill Rice]

No relation at all. I met him when I was very young. I also met his brother Bill Rice, who (at the time)had a very large ministry for the deaf. I imagine they're both pretty old by now.

[Tribune7]

This smells an awful lot like the Anglicans trying to justify their priestesses after the fact.

No, you think?

As Junia, she was described by St Paul in a letter to the Romans as “prominent among the Apostles”.

So, St. Paul -- who was, unlike Richard Bauckham, a contemporary of the Apostles and who wrote that women shouldn't hold positions of authority in the Church -- didn't know Junia was female?

The point of the Gospels, BTW, isn't that men should dominate women but that all should be humble before God and put others ahead of themselves. A Christian really shouldn't be guided by ego to seek authority, which I suspect is the motivation for the "liberals" who control the Anglican Church.

[aruanan]

Apostle" means "sent out". and has a formal meaning with a capital "A", as an office, or a broader sense, as special envoys, as with the case here.

Except that in New Testament Greek, the earliest manuscripts were written entirely in capital letters.

[editor-surveyor]

2000 years from now, they'll be debating whether Hitlery was really the president, and there is far more evidence to support that position :o)

[editor-surveyor]

"There is no female apostle in this text AND everything else is absolutely pure conjecture that will be thrown out of serious theological discussions, not because of sex bias, but because of the paucity of the argument."

It would be great if you were right, but in this day of politically correct re-writings of the word, who knows?

[RnMomof7]

she was:>)

[RnMomof7]

How ya been Marlk? wite me sometime..