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One of Apostles was a woman, Church is told
The Times (UK) ^ | July 06, 2002 | Our Religion Correspondent

Posted on 07/05/2002 7:21:05 PM PDT by aculeus

EVIDENCE that one of the Apostles of Jesus was a woman is being examined by leaders of the Church of England, who are debating whether women should be ordained bishops.

Joanna, who was close to Jesus during His ministry, changed her name to Junia and was recognised by St Paul as an Apostle, research to be published later this year found. Her role was ignored for centuries because medieval scholars altered the name to Junias to make it masculine.

Joanna, who was with Mary Magdalen when the empty tomb was discovered and taken as proof of the Resurrection, changed her Hebrew name to a Latin name to fit in with the Romanised culture of Tiberias, where she lived, Richard Bauckham, Professor of New Testament Studies at St Andrews University, says.

As Junia, she was described by St Paul in a letter to the Romans as “prominent among the Apostles”. She was a wealthy woman from King Herod’s court who turned to Jesus after seeing Him heal a friend’s wife, he says.

The defection of the powerful courtier to the new Christian movement was seen as even more scandalous because she was married to Chuza, one of Herod’s most influential stewards. Joanna converted her husband, changed the way she dressed and used her own money to support the mission.

Although it has been previously suggested in theological circles that the Apostle Junia was a female, she has never previously been linked to Joanna and the Herodian upper class of Tiberias.

The discovery suggests that not only was society far less patriarchal than previous research has shown, but that women such as Joanna may have used their wealth and standing in society to convert others to their cause. Joanna and Chuza were among the large numbers of disciples who gathered when Jesus appeared to rise from the dead. She witnessed the Crucifixion and Chuza later changed his name to Andronicus, Professor Bauckham says.

Professor Bauckham’s paper, Junia the Apostle, will be discussed during the meeting of the General Synod. Its presentation to a bishops’ working party on the theology of women in the episcopate will challenge the perception of the apostles that has dominated the Church since AD400.

Although Jerome, regarded as the most important religious scholar of that time, considered Junia to be a woman, subsequent translations in the Middle Ages and the King James Bible changed her name to the male Junias.

Robert Bartlett, Professor of Medieval History at St Andrews University, said: “If a name like Junia was a little ambiguous, the medieval scribes were quite likely to make mistakes. Certainly the medieval Church was male-dominated and wanted it to stay that way, but whether someone was cooking the books to make it appear that the Apostles were all men is not yet certain.” Medieval scribes were known for their inaccuracies, he said.

The assumption that the leading Apostles were all men has been one of the most unassailable arguments against the ordination of women bishops.

If the claim that Joanna and Junia were the same person, and that Junia was a woman and an Apostle is accepted, the argument for women bishops will have been all but won.

The “greatest surprise”, Professor Bauckham said, was that St Paul knew one of them “and considered her an outstanding Apostle”. Her high status would have conferred social legitimacy on the new religious movement.

After witnessing the Resurrection she left for Rome with her husband. Both were imprisoned for their beliefs and never heard of again.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: apostle; catholiclist; christianlist; religion
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To: Grig
I wondered, so did a search. Here's some interesting articles:

The lady was a pope

The Straight Dope / Was there once a female pope?


Pope John -- Or Joan? (written by a feminist/athiest)

61 posted on 07/06/2002 3:12:32 AM PDT by JudyB1938
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
Until the Pope says there was a female Apostle, there was no female Apsotle, no matter what a bunch of silly British heretics have to say.
62 posted on 07/06/2002 3:26:24 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Rome2000
Until the Pope says there was a female Apostle, there was no female Apsotle, no matter what a bunch of silly British heretics have to say.

Did the Vatican ever formally renounce the silly idea that the sun revolved around the Earth?

63 posted on 07/06/2002 3:40:02 AM PDT by Utopia
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To: RnMomof7
Hi mom. Click here for more info.
64 posted on 07/06/2002 3:48:09 AM PDT by winslow
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To: winslow
Ok forgot how to use HTML. Will do refresher. Address is: http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/cb mw/rbmw/
65 posted on 07/06/2002 3:49:48 AM PDT by winslow
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To: aculeus; RnMomof7
This is the sole verse in the entire bible that mentions Junias. It is in a greetings section at the end of the book of Romans. I have provided it in a literal translation from the Greek (YLT).

Romans 16:7 salute Andronicus and Junias, my kindred, and my fellow-captives, who are of note among the apostles, who also have been in Christ before me.

Adronicus and Junias are: (1) Paul's kindred or relatives. (2) Prisoners with him, (3) two persons whom the apostles have noticed...i.e., 2 non-apostles who have been noted by the apostles is the most comfortable reading of this text, (4) they were Christians before Paul was a Christian.

There is no female apostle in this text AND everything else is absolutely pure conjecture that will be thrown out of serious theological discussions, not because of sex bias, but because of the paucity of the argument.

66 posted on 07/06/2002 5:07:23 AM PDT by xzins
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To: Cultural Jihad
And thus started a religion based on divorce. Except that his heir (the king of Great Britain) today cannot be divorced!
67 posted on 07/06/2002 5:18:28 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: Slyfox
I just learned a new word!! LOL!
68 posted on 07/06/2002 5:21:16 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: A6M3
I am taking a group of youth from my presbytery to a week-long youth conference --- FR withdrawal :-0 next week. Today I am running around like a whacked out goat. Before I leave to fetch our van, let me comment: It is easy to say 'no sale.' I respect that position. It is not simply a matter of verse-slinging and vying with 'proof-texts.' It is an issue of taking a number of examples from the ministry of Jesus; the marks and meaning of 'apostle' in the NT; the fact that elder/deacon/bishop overlap in function in the NT; looking at the gender of names - the role and designation of various 'officers' in the NT, whether you regard those 'officers' as more functional/charismatic or more institutional. However, the evidence is there, I am not going to engage in trying to overwhelm 'your proof-texts' with 'my proof-texts.' The answer is in Scripture, in the Greek and in evidences from the first century or two of the Church. Yet, when I have some more time this afternoon, I'll jump back in and offer up the exegetical reasons supporting the ordination of women, as well as men, to all the offices and ministries of the Church. Again - check out Christians for Biblical Equality and order Aida Spencer Besacon's "Beyond the Curse." It's a good introductory text and offered by a scholar affirming the infallibility of Scripture, a conservative evangelical.
69 posted on 07/06/2002 5:32:41 AM PDT by PresbyRev
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To: RnMomof7
Even if this were true, it would no more support the ordination of women than the fact that Deborah held the status of prophetess and judge in the Old Testatment. If they are trying to use this to call for the ordination of women, they still have to get past Paul's writing in I Timothy.

I wonder what surprises liberal theologians and hostorians have up their sleeves. Will we one day learn that "Christ" was in fact "Christina," the daughter of God?

70 posted on 07/06/2002 5:33:17 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: aculeus
This ridiculous article coming from the premier newspaper from a Godless country sinking into the tar pit of atheism.
71 posted on 07/06/2002 5:35:24 AM PDT by elcaudillo
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To: RnMomof7
bahhh...

who cares what some pointy-headed academic 2,000 years after the fact hypothesizes? Certainly has no effect on what I believe.

Suffering here from what C.S. Lewis called "Chrisitianity and ...". That is, in this case, it's "Christianity and feminism" that the author here brings to the table. Her agenda is radical feminism, and she sees Christianity through that political ideology.

Academia struggles from a shoddy hermaneutic that colors all they see in the Bible. I find it fascinating that my car mechanic, with little formal education after high school, knows and can handle the Scriptures far, far better than this intellectual.

72 posted on 07/06/2002 5:40:27 AM PDT by jude24
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To: winslow
Edited by Piper.......love the guy..Thanks
73 posted on 07/06/2002 5:42:35 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: xzins
It always worries me when I agree with you and not a Presbyterian rev :>)
74 posted on 07/06/2002 5:46:07 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Askel5
I've been accused of many things in my time but soft-heartedness was not one of them....
75 posted on 07/06/2002 5:47:55 AM PDT by piasa
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To: RnMomof7
Joanna and Chuza were among the large numbers of disciples who gathered when Jesus appeared to rise from the dead.

I stopped here. Why is there any discussion about this article at all?

76 posted on 07/06/2002 5:57:39 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: RnMomof7
This week has been full of weird alliances on the threads. Whodda thunk it! :0)
77 posted on 07/06/2002 6:07:58 AM PDT by xzins
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To: RnMomof7
ya think..LOL

We've heard that Jesus was a homosexual before also. No limit to the attempts to "PC" the Bible.

78 posted on 07/06/2002 6:11:20 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: dodger
Feminism & PC-dom aside, why does it sometimes (often) seem Paul succeed in a 'leveraged buy-out' of the Jewish reformation initiated by Jesus?

I've wondered the same thing (often) and for a long time.

79 posted on 07/06/2002 6:29:47 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Me thinks these folks should read Bobbed Hair, Bossy Wives, and Women Preachers
80 posted on 07/06/2002 6:44:52 AM PDT by Bill Rice
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