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Did New Altitude Separation Rules Contribute To Russian/DHL Midair Disaster?
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Posted on 07/05/2002 2:39:01 PM PDT by Asmodeus

On 24 January 2002, the Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum (RVSM) in the EUR RVSM Airspace provided six additional flight levels between 29,000 feet (FL290) and 41,000 feet (FL410) inclusive. This has been achieved by reducing the separation minima between aircraft from 2,000ft to 1,000ft. The RVSM Programme has been implemented simultaneously in the airspace of 41 European and North African countries.

Based on all currently available information, the tragic accident between a B-757 of DHL and a TU-154 of Bashkirian Airlines does not seem to be related to the introduction of RVSM in European Airspace.

EUROCONTROL had been notified by the respective Authorities of the States concerned that both aircraft were RVSM approved, both technically and operationally.

Baskhkirian Airlines Tu 154 notified its RVSM approval status for this specific flight by inserting "W" in the flight plan. The RVSM programme had been notified of its RVSM approval status on 24 Jan 2002 by the Federal Aviation Authority of Russia.

During the flight the aircraft flew over the Height Monitoring Unit of Linz (Austria) between 2105 and 2130, a few minutes before the incident. The Total Vertical Error recorded on this flight over Linz was 44.2ft, well within the performance limits established.

The DHL International B757 notified its RVSM approval status by "W" in flight plan. The RVSM Programme has confirmation from the Bahrain Civil Aviation Authorities that the aircraft was RVSM approved..

The B757 was monitored repeatedly in the last 2 months; its the last flight had a measured total vertical error of –35.7ft.

Thus the height keeping performance of both aircraft was verified recently and was shown to be well within limits and conformant with RVSM requirements.

The RVSM Programme continues to gather information on the causes of the accident. The information provided so far indicates that both aircraft were flight planned and established in cruise at FL360. If vertical separation would have been applied between both aircraft on the routes flown, they had been vertically separated by 2,000 feet, in accordance with ICAO RVSM cruising levels.

The thoughts of the RVSM Programme Team are with the families and friends of the victims of this terrible tragedy.

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1 posted on 07/05/2002 2:39:02 PM PDT by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
The media are reporting that
- The radar collision warning system in Swiss air traffic control was turned off for maintenance
- Main telephone line was also down for maintenance
- One of two controllers went off on a break
- The remaining controller had to juggle five planes on two frequencies and two radar screens
- In addition he had to handle the approach of a plane to a nearby airport, but he had trouble contacting that airport because of the telephone line problems
- His attempts to establish a phone connection with the airport, the reports say, were logged between 23:25:43 CET and 23:33:11 CET. It was not until 23:34:49 CET - 44 seconds before the crash - that he issued the first of two descend instructions to the Russian plane.
2 posted on 07/05/2002 2:50:31 PM PDT by tictoc
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To: tictoc
I heard the Russian pilot saw the conflict situation a minute and a half before the collision, and radioed for instructions. When none was forthcoming, because the controller was getting a BJ or whatever, he continued on course.

This is what is known as pilot error.

ML/NJ

3 posted on 07/05/2002 3:32:59 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Are you implying the TOON was the controller?
4 posted on 07/05/2002 6:37:56 PM PDT by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: hillary's_fat_a**
Are you implying the TOON was the controller?

No.

The pilot is the one in charge. He can tell the controller to pound salt if he wants to. (He might have some 'splanin to do afterwards, but avoiding a midair is likely to be considered reasonable grounds for deviating from ones clearance.)

ML/NJ

5 posted on 07/05/2002 8:04:04 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
You got a link to that one?
6 posted on 07/06/2002 6:29:38 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
You got a link to that one?

Sorry. I don't.

It may have been something I heard while listening to a radio news broadcast. I fly (or maybe flew is more accurate) myself and it was something that struck me as rather odd.

ML/NJ

7 posted on 07/06/2002 7:13:09 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Asmodeus
The information provided so far indicates that both aircraft were flight planned and established in cruise at FL360.

Not being a pilot, I have to ask: Wouldn't the fact that both planes were flying at FL360 indicate that there just might be a potential problem here?

8 posted on 07/06/2002 7:37:33 AM PDT by Bob
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To: ml/nj
I heard on a different forum (BBC's Talking Point) this idea: The Russian plane was full of teenagers who knew each other going on summer holiday with very little adult supervision- they probably would've been up and out of their seats visiting one another. When the pilot got the order to decrease altitude, he might've taken an extra moment to order the children back to their seats and buckle up and then giving them a moment to do so- (fearing the sudden descent might cause injury). It was just speculation on the poster's part, but it sounded plausible in a way.
9 posted on 07/06/2002 12:26:07 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
it sounded plausible in a way.

Not to me.

If the report I heard is true, then he requested permission to deviate. He wasn't ordered to alter his course, probably because the Swiss ATC was asleep at the switch. But ATC isn't in charge of airplanes, pilots are. This pilot apparently could see the other plane, with what seems plenty of time to deviate, and he didn't. Maybe the DHL guys were asleep too, and sure they shouldn't have been, but if the Russian saw the other plane with more than a minute of separation and didn't avoid it, it's his fault.

ML/NJ

10 posted on 07/06/2002 12:36:48 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Aye, fair enough, but that's why I asked about the link- for a hard source. I haven't heard that one reported in the media yet. So, this is, in fact, what happened?
11 posted on 07/06/2002 1:23:01 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: ml/nj
I heard the Russian pilot saw the conflict situation a minute and a half before the collision, and radioed for instructions

Where did you hear that from? How did he see the conflict situation?

12 posted on 07/06/2002 1:27:39 PM PDT by arm958
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