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Your original posit was that we have an obesity problem in this country...according to every number published the majority are fine.

We have a dispute on the facts. I don't think you're right about the statistics. But let me point out that we could still have a terrible obesity problem even though the majority was fine. My european friends tell me they see this country as one of extremes - people who look like Gods and others who resemble barnyard animals with not much of a middle.

Your other posit was that our health system is collapsing. Again BS, if we're living longer the health system must be doing OK. Actually if one accepts your first posit when you combine that with the fact that we're living longer it completely disproves your second posit. How could a nation have an obesity problem and be living longer unless the health system kicked ass?

A most interesting argument.

My inclination is to simply reply with the facts: We do have an obesity problem. We do have a health system collapse. We are living longer. You figure out what's wrong with your argument.

But I'll try to do better. To some extent we are living on accumulated capital; As I stated previously longevity is determined by lots of things. We are much less victims of childhood and infectious diseases. Of malnutrition due to poverty. Our health care system is still quite effective and is much better - when you have access to it - than what was available even 40 years ago. Obesity is a relatively recent problem - I believe it didn't become apparant until about 20 years ago (It's hard to remember exactly).

Who cares about your European "friends"? Stop talking to the Fench and the Brits, they're food sucks and it makes them short skinny and bitter. Talk to some German's they bras average two cup sizes bigger than us, they understand what it means to be plump in all the right places. I live here, you live here, all you gotta do is look around. Yes there are fatties, but there have always been fatties, the average person is still the average person, they look about the same as the yalways have. What facts are there to dispute Larry? The two most useful measures for a nation's health are it's life expetancy and average height, our are UP. "nuff said.

There's nothing wrong with my arguement. Your "facts" are self contradictory. Those three things cannot possibly be true at the same time. There is NO obesisty problem. There is NO health system collapese. You're WRONG. Handle it bub. The simple fact that our longevity keeps climbing shows that your two posits are WRONG, across the board. The infant mortality rate in this contry hasn't budged in decades, with good reason it was down to nil by the end of WWII. We're adding life expectancy on the backend. Octegenarians are now no big deal, they're all over the place. People can now reasonably expect to live to their 80's. Their 80's man. And not like in a nursing home convalescing, we're talking up and about and playing golf living to their 80s. You don't get that in a country with an obesity problem or a collapsing health system. You get than in a country that's doing well. We're fine. Like so many other "health crisis" of the past this one is all smoke and mirrors looking for a new excuse to tax the crap out of us. Well you can have my Doritos when you pry them from my cold dead hands... and that's gonna be a while I'm only 32 and plan to be around to piss you off for another 50 years.