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RAZORMOUTH: Under God, Under Man -- What's so great about the Pledge of Allegiance anyway?
RAZORMOUTH.com ^ | June 29, 2002 | Jim Babka

Posted on 07/03/2002 7:42:01 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian

Under God, Under Man?

Jim Babka | Should Christians be upset by court's decision on Pledge of Allegiance?


You must be living under a rock if you haven’t heard the news. Two “pin-head” federal judges said that mentioning God in the Pledge of Allegiance violated the First Amendment rights of second-graders (more correctly, one second-grader’s parent). The pin-head label came from the Rev. Jerry Falwell. He also called them “Dumb and Dumber” — of course he meant that with love.

Something must be wrong with me. The news didn’t shock me, surprise me, worry me, anger me, or cause me to cry. I’m wondering why it caused such a stir?

  • The ruling of the three-judge panel, according to legal experts left and right, is almost guaranteed to be overturned—either by a full panel from the circuit court or the Supreme Court.

  • If you were worried that the media had become “Godless,” the news coverage should’ve set your mind at ease. All the national TV news-show hosts and all but two of their professional guests decried or mocked the decision.

  • And in a display of tremendous political courage, Congress convened on the steps of the Capitol to recite the pledge and members stepped up to the microphones to tell the media how outraged they were.

So what’s the problem? It sounds like it’s already solved.

But is it really a good thing if this court decision is overturned? Any time you find yourself in agreement with more than 400 congressmen and the majority of the major media, you better double-check your premises!

In 1962, the Supreme Court told public schools that prayer was banned. Since then, indignant Christians have fought for a constitutional amendment and through the courts to restore that right. Forty years later, they have little to show for those efforts.

Right around the same time, parochial schools experienced a renaissance. Christian schools sprung up like weeds all over the countryside. If the schools were going to separate God from their kids, then these responsible parents were going to separate their children from the government schools.

I’m a product of that movement. My parents made the decision to switch me from a public to a Christian school in third grade—I’m glad they did. Now I’m a home-schooling parent, because I believe my children’s education is my responsibility.

Please understand that even the big-government liberals (in Congress and the media) don’t like this decision because they believed it was too bold—too much ado over a very little innocuous thing. The decision was overreaching, and it could’ve sounded a well-overdue second alarm for those few Christian parents who’ve refused to accept the truth up to this point — education and “religion” (for lack of a better term), cannot be separated. This decision could’ve added the necessary fuel to the fire needed to separate school and state.

Joseph Farah, publisher of WorldNetDaily, put it this way, “If responsible Christian and Jewish parents did this [took their children out of government schools] all over America tomorrow, it would set off a revolution in this country. Gone would be the multi-billion-dollar Department of Education boondoggle. Gone would be the condom education. Gone would be the sexual propaganda and the moral relativism. No way tens of millions of parents are going to continue to be soaked in taxes for schools they don't use. Not only will your children be liberated, the whole country would be. … It will be like the collapse of the Soviet Union—hundreds of millions of people freed overnight.”

Instead, the decision will be overturned, victory will be declared, and those Christian parents who insist on deluding themselves about the wonders of public education will remain where they are.

The government education factory will continue to teach those children all kinds of things that are alien to most Christian values in areas like the origin of man, sexuality, and especially the environment—but they’ll say the Pledge of Allegiance correctly!

Government schools will continue to endorse pantheism, teach secular humanism, and instruct students in post-modern thinking, even going so far as to directly challenge them to question the things their parents and churches teach them. … And then they’ll pass them to the fifth grade!

Studies indicate that 94 percent of the country believes there’s a God, 84 percent believe in Jesus Christ, and 80 percent support voluntary prayer in school. Is it reasonable for Christian’s to expect any higher numbers? Do Christians need to continue fighting for 40 more years to make government schools right, or should they learn their lesson and withdraw their support?

Besides, in this case, what’s there to fight for? Now I know for some I’m about to engage in great sacrilege — but what’s so great about the Pledge of Allegiance anyway?

Who else, but to God do we, as Christians, owe allegiance? Should we swear allegiance to a plot of land or the state that controls it (Exodus 20:3-5, Matthew 5:33-35)? (In our country, doesn’t the state owe its allegiance to the people, rather than the other way around?)

The pledge was created in 1892 by a socialist named Francis Bellamy as a way to begin indoctrination of children into utopian ways. At the time, Bellamy was a high-ranking official in the National Education Association (NEA) who had recently been forced from his pulpit as a Baptist minister.

The words that caused all the controversy—“under God” — weren’t in Bellamy’s original. They were added by Congress in 1954 to provide contrast between the United States and “godless communism.” Bellamy’s granddaughter said he would’ve resented the change.

And in the post-decision analysis Wednesday, constitutional scholars like Douglas Kmiec, Jonathan Turley, and others indicated that the Pledge didn’t establish, “any particular religion.” Rather, they advised, it upheld the tradition that we believe in some kind of a national “deity.” That’s the bold constitutional argument that will likely be used to “restore” the Pledge if this case makes it to the Supreme Court (sarcasm intended).

If “under God” is retained in the Pledge, will that really be much of a victory? If it makes 400 congressmen and the media happy, it’s probably not such a great thing. The need to separate school and state, the history and purpose of the pledge, and the lameness of the constitutional argument, lead me to believe that retaining those words is not only not worth a fight, but it’s also, ultimately, a loss.



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Jim Babka is president of American Liberty Foundation and RealCampaignReform.org both in Alexandria, Va. He’s a past Libertarian Party of Ohio state chair and was the press secretary for Harry Browne’s 2000 campaign for president.
1 posted on 07/03/2002 7:42:01 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: nunya bidness; Demidog; A.J.Armitage; sheltonmac; tex-oma
RazorMouth....
2 posted on 07/03/2002 7:42:54 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
That was fast.
3 posted on 07/03/2002 7:47:50 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: nunya bidness
we aim to please....
4 posted on 07/03/2002 7:51:00 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Contrarians are soo cute.....NOT!
5 posted on 07/03/2002 7:51:41 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: *Paleo_list; *libertarians; OWK; Anthem; Publius; diotima; Aristophanes; CatoRenasci; Romulus; ...
Separation of school and state bump.

(Diotima, is there a way to ping the Ed Watch chapter?)
6 posted on 07/03/2002 7:56:51 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: OldFriend
Contrarians are soo cute.....NOT! 5 posted on 7/3/02 7:51 PM Pacific by OldFriend

Christianity is fundamentally Contrarian.

7 posted on 07/03/2002 7:57:37 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OldFriend
Do you have a point?
8 posted on 07/03/2002 7:59:04 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I wish I'd said that...
9 posted on 07/03/2002 8:00:45 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
I will take a turn being contrarian. The Pledge of Allegiance IS unconstitutional in the pre-1865 sense, not because of the "under God" clause but because of that "one nation, INDIVISIBLE" wording.

. . . at least as far as neo-Confederates and palaeo-conservatives are concerned.

10 posted on 07/03/2002 8:06:51 PM PDT by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen
I will take a turn being contrarian. The Pledge of Allegiance IS unconstitutional in the pre-1865 sense, not because of the "under God" clause but because of that "one nation, INDIVISIBLE" wording....at least as far as neo-Confederates and palaeo-conservatives are concerned.

I think that you are just suffering from a misunderstanding of regional American-English pronunciation.

South of the Mason-Dixon line, the wording of the Pledge is pronounced, "One Nation, Under God, 'n Divisible, with Liberty..."

A very forgivable misunderstanding on your part. ;-)

11 posted on 07/03/2002 8:14:04 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: A.J.Armitage
Shameless self-promotion: Lies, Inc.: The Pledge Exposes The Failure of Government Schools
12 posted on 07/03/2002 8:24:24 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Lurker
ping...
13 posted on 07/03/2002 8:27:47 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: CCWoody; Jerry_M; the_doc; RnMomof7; Jean Chauvin; Dr. Eckleburg
“If responsible Christian and Jewish parents did this [took their children out of government schools] all over America tomorrow, it would set off a revolution in this country. Gone would be the multi-billion-dollar Department of Education boondoggle. Gone would be the condom education. Gone would be the sexual propaganda and the moral relativism. No way tens of millions of parents are going to continue to be soaked in taxes for schools they don't use. Not only will your children be liberated, the whole country would be...

It will be like the collapse of the Soviet Union — hundreds of millions of people freed overnight.”

14 posted on 07/03/2002 8:31:40 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
If America is so Christian, than it's the "will of the people" to have Christianity taught in the public schools. So why fight the will of the people?

And how can a pledge be unconstitutional, it's a form of speech?
15 posted on 07/03/2002 8:37:29 PM PDT by truth_session
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
By a raise of hands, how many in here think these judges ruled against the pledge because they thought it was socialist?
16 posted on 07/03/2002 8:41:20 PM PDT by truth_session
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"If “under God” is retained in the Pledge, will that really be much of a victory? If it makes 400 congressmen and the media happy, it’s probably not such a great thing. The need to separate school and state, the history and purpose of the pledge, and the lameness of the constitutional argument, lead me to believe that retaining those words is not only not worth a fight, but it’s also, ultimately, a loss."

A marvellous victory brought on by the grace of God. And the point is not to make senators or the media happy, ding-dong author. It's to make God and Christians happy or should I say "pleased." We all know that the liberal press is godless with or without the approval of the ruling. And we all know that the press as well as the politicians involved are never happy about anything, but are in fact doing what they do best, political pandering.

The need to separate school and state is ever so prevelant, if we are just speaking of opinions here and not of the Constitution. For the state or now the federal government, who is overstepping the states, has been for many years taking away our freedoms of expression, religion, and expression of religion. I think the federal government is establishing their religion, liberalism.

We do have the right under the Constitution to pray and speak of God in the public schools and will until the 2nd Amendment is ripped from the Bill of Rights.

Of course, above all else, we can have godless socialism in America, but put God into it, and socialism is all of a sudden evil.

17 posted on 07/03/2002 8:53:22 PM PDT by truth_session
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Republican Party: A car in every garage.

Democrat Party: A chicken in every pot.

Libertarian Party: POT. Period.

18 posted on 07/03/2002 8:58:44 PM PDT by gg188
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To: admiralsn

19 posted on 07/03/2002 9:00:35 PM PDT by admiralsn
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To: truth_session; Demidog; A.J.Armitage; nunya bidness
If America is so Christian, than it's the "will of the people" to have Christianity taught in the public schools. So why fight the will of the people? And how can a pledge be unconstitutional, it's a form of speech?

If 99 Christians vote to steal money from 1 atheist to form a "Christian School", it's still THEFT. And Theft is an Anti-Christian violation of the Eighth Commandment.

I'm in favor of my kids (when God sees fit to so bless me) affirming that this Nation... and every Atom in the Universe... is "under God". In fact, I want my kids to affirm that the Universe ain't under some un-named, deistic "God", I want them to affirm that the Universe is under the control of Jesus Christ in particular. "He holds in His nail-scarred hands the destiny of all things".

And I don't want to steal anyone else's money to say so.

20 posted on 07/03/2002 9:02:47 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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