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Bush stands firm against International Criminal Court
AFP via Yahoo! ^ | Wednesday July 3, 4:05 AM | AFP

Posted on 07/02/2002 3:09:04 PM PDT by Destro

Wednesday July 3, 4:05 AM

Bush stands firm against International Criminal Court

President George W. Bush said he hoped to "work out" an impasse with the United Nations over the new International Criminal Court but stood by his repudiation of the tribunal.

"We'll try to work out the impasse at the United Nations. But one thing we're not going to do is sign on to the International Criminal Court," Bush said during a brief visit here to tout his domestic agenda.

Washington on Sunday vetoed renewal of the UN peacekeeping mission in Bosnia to highlight its concerns that the court could be used to pursue US forces or officials with politically motivated prosecution.

The Bush administration later backed off, granting the mission a 72-hour reprieve that lapses at midnight Wednesday (0400 GMT Thursday).

On Monday, the world's first permanent war crimes tribunal officially opened its doors in The Hague with a mandate to bring to justice perpetrators of the worst crimes against humanity.

Bush said he would not submit the treaty creating the court to the US Senate for ratification because "as the United States works to bring peace around the world, our diplomats and our soldiers could be drug into this court, and that's very troubling to me."

Democrat Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said Tuesday that Europe must "be more sensitive" to the need to spare US troops from "frivolous prosecution" but said the veto was a ham-handed approach.

"It jeopardizes the continuation of vital peacekeeping and police training missions in Bosnia - and UN operations elsewhere. And that undermines our fundamental goal of bringing permanent security to the Balkans and other troubled areas of the world," he said in a statement.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer told reporters traveling with the president that the United States was "absolutely not" using the flap as a pretext for curtailing its international peacekeeping commitments.

"The President thinks the ICC is fundamentally flawed because it puts American servicemen and women at fundamental risk of being tried by an entity that is beyond America's reach, beyond America's laws, and can subject American civilian and military to arbitrary standards of justice," he said.

That's why the court "is a threat to America's involvement to be peace keepers and to help around the world," said Fleischer, who declined to predict the result of consultations with the United Nations.

"These are difficult talks, and it's impossible to predict what their outcome will be," he said.

In Washington, Secretary of State Colin Powell was making a series of calls to a variety of his foreign colleagues in an effort to secure a last minute deal, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said.

"We're in the middle of the last minute," he told reporters, noting that Powell had spoken twice on Tuesday with British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw whose country is now president of the UN Security Council.

"We're continuing to work on these issues, because it is our desire to work it out in a way that allows us to continue this very important mission without being exposed to further risk from the International Criminal Court," he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: balkans; uncourt; worldcourt
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he UN Court is an abomination of the concept of sovereignty and justice. I support Bush's stance 100%!

But I do not understand why American troops under NATO's UN SFOR mission carry out outrageous raids in support of the UN Court for Yugoslavia? If a UN Court is bad for Americans is it not just as bad for other peoples?

I think those animals disguised in NATO general's uniforms did the following in front of the cameras as a slap in the face of Bush on the same day Bush made this announcement: NATO troops ransack home of fugitive Karadzic

I can't understand this double standard for the life of me.

1 posted on 07/02/2002 3:09:04 PM PDT by Destro
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To: *balkans
Hello the the State Dept. staff that lurks on here. I hope you are reading what we say.
2 posted on 07/02/2002 3:10:22 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
What this country needs is an independent prosecutor and an independent court--utterly independent of any American political check. Who will the prosecutor be? I know-- Lawrence Walsh! A second crack at Cap Weinberger, and no US presidential pardon power, either!

</sarcasm>

3 posted on 07/02/2002 3:22:49 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Destro
I strongly support President Bush in his stand to preserve the sovreign status of the U.S.of A. by rejecting these international courts.
4 posted on 07/02/2002 3:31:41 PM PDT by hoosierham
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To: hoosierham
I second that! Now all we have to do is get Bush not to support the UN Court's ugly sister and stop doing to others what we don't want done to us!
5 posted on 07/02/2002 3:38:23 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
The UN is no friend to the USA. Other than a permanant forum for discussions regarding world affairs. Who needs it? Every major conflict under the name of the United Nations was either us alone or us with other western powers.
No Russian (except Bosnia and Afganistan where they had a primary interest)or Chinese troops. That should tell you that we have only our western allies to back us. The world court is a joke. The UN is a joke. Hell, the Bosnian War was Bill and Monica's war and was wrong to begin with. This global effort everyone seems to so hot for is not in our best interest. There's 230 million Americans and some 4 billion others. Guess who loses in an election. As for pizza faced Joe Biden, the posterchild for everything bad about the Democrats, whats your idea then Joe?
6 posted on 07/02/2002 3:46:20 PM PDT by Rockiesrider
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To: Destro
I hope Bush stands firm. The pressure from the UN and the liberal press is going to be intense. This is exactly the reason we should be so luck we have Bush and not Gore as our President.
7 posted on 07/02/2002 3:51:38 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Uncle Hal
I'm confident here-- Bush has held firm on missile defense, on the ABM treaty, on Kyoto, on everything important to American sovereignty. It will be lots of press hoopla, just like the others were, and the Eurowhiners will have a field day, but in the end, Bush will prevail.

I'm mystified, though, by the European whine about "special priviledges" for Americans-- I mean, who held a gun to their head and made them sign this stupid thing? And, if they've changed their minds, why don't they just opt out?
8 posted on 07/02/2002 7:14:44 PM PDT by walden
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To: walden
I'm confident here-- Bush has held firm on missile defense, on the ABM treaty, on Kyoto, on everything important to American sovereignty...

Image how this will play out in 2004 if Hillary is President. Hold on to your sovereignty -- she'll grab it.

9 posted on 07/02/2002 7:41:13 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: walden
Bush is 100% right on this.
10 posted on 07/02/2002 7:41:21 PM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: Destro
"We'll try to work out the impasse at the United Nations. But one thing we're not going to do is sign on to the International Criminal Court," Bush said during a brief visit here to tout his domestic agenda.

This is exactly the kind of statement by Bush that disturbs me. How/why can/would Bush work out an impasse with an organization that would usurp American sovereignty? Any President who would turn over American sovereignty is not performing his mandated responsiblity to uphold our constitution.

Before you Bushbots give Bush attaboys for this one, why don't you ask him what he has done to rescind Clinton's signature? While you're at it, why don't you ask him what he has done to prevent a future globalistsocialistcommunist Democrat President from sending the Clinton signed treaty to a future sympathetic Senate for ratification?

11 posted on 07/02/2002 7:50:00 PM PDT by Nephi
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why don't you ask him what he has done to rescind Clinton's signature? While you're at it, why don't you ask him what he has done to prevent a future globalistsocialistcommunist Democrat President from sending the Clinton signed treaty to a future sympathetic Senate for ratification?

What should Bush do to rescind Clinton's signature?

12 posted on 07/02/2002 8:18:42 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Destro
Great! No Way is the US going to let the World Court do to it, what it allowed the Supreme Court to do to the States, via the illegitimate 14th Amendment.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38ae1fc86628.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/682976/posts

Suddenly, the Union isn't so big on Unity. bUSh is having the same concerns that George Mason and Patrick Henry had about giving up a portion of their state's sovereignty!

and rightly so, given that the next "civil war" will be when one of the "states" tries to secede from the UN, and the self-righteous remaining countries will attack it and try to invade it, starting WWIII/Armageddon.

This whole thing should help people see the righteousness of the Southern People and the CSA.

13 posted on 07/02/2002 8:23:56 PM PDT by H.Akston
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To: Nephi
While you're at it, why don't you ask him what he has done to prevent a future globalistsocialistcommunist Democrat President from sending the Clinton signed treaty to a future sympathetic Senate for ratification?

What do you want him to do, declare the Democratic Party and its presidential candidates null and void? That is why actually WINNING elections are important.

14 posted on 07/02/2002 8:42:36 PM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: FreeReign
What should Bush do to rescind Clinton's signature?

Bush did recind Clinton's signiture

Hyde Praises Decision by Bush Administration
to Unsign Treaty Establishing Int’l Criminal Court

 

(WASHINGTON) - U.S. Rep. Henry J. Hyde (R-IL), chairman of the House International Relations Committee, commented today on the announced decision by the Bush Administration to unsign the Treaty of Rome establishing the International Criminal Court:

“I commend the Bush Administration for restoring honesty to our dialogue with other nations about the International Criminal Court (ICC).

“Champions of international law should focus their fire on the Clinton Administration for the dubious way in which they signed the treaty establishing the ICC rather than the Bush Administration for correcting the mistaken impression left by their ill-considered action.

“International law in this regard is clear. Comment (d) to section 312 of the Restatement of the Law Third, Foreign Relations Law of the United States provides that ‘signature [of a treaty] . . . is deemed to represent political approval and at least a moral obligation to seek ratification.’ Accordingly, what is unprecedented is signing a treaty and then simultaneously declaring, as President Clinton did on December 31, 2000, that ‘I will not, and do not, recommend that my successor submit the Treaty to the Senate for advice and consent until our fundamental concerns are satisfied.’

“It was clear then, and remains clear today, that our fundamental concerns about the ICC will never be satisfied. We simply cannot accept an international institution that claims jurisdiction over American citizens superior to that of our Constitution, and that threatens to prosecute and imprison Americans without benefit of the protections enshrined in our Bill of Rights.

“For these reasons, overwhelming majorities in both the House of Representatives and the Senate have voted within the last year for legislation that disassociates the United States entirely from the ICC. In this context, there can be no doubt that the United States will never ratify the treaty establishing the ICC.

“It would be dishonest for the United States to continue to represent to other nations that we are on track to become a party to that treaty when nothing could be further from the truth. The Bush Administration should be praised for setting the record straight.”

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15 posted on 07/02/2002 8:44:44 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Nephi
Before you Bushbots give Bush attaboys for this one, why don't you ask him what he has done to rescind Clinton's signature? While you're at it, why don't you ask him what he has done to prevent a future globalistsocialistcommunist Democrat President from sending the Clinton signed treaty to a future sympathetic Senate for ratification?

If to mindlessly defend Bush is to be a Bushbot then what would you call somebody who mindlessly criticizes Bush -- your post.

16 posted on 07/02/2002 9:09:23 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
If to mindlessly defend Bush is to be a Bushbot then what would you call somebody who mindlessly criticizes Bush --

A broken record?

17 posted on 07/02/2002 9:11:16 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
“It was clear then, and remains clear today, that our fundamental concerns about the ICC will never be satisfied. We simply cannot accept an international institution that claims jurisdiction over American citizens superior to that of our Constitution, and that threatens to prosecute and imprison Americans without benefit of the protections enshrined in our Bill of Rights.

Henry Hyde has it right. Thanks TF

18 posted on 07/02/2002 9:13:40 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: walden
Does it bother you Bush supports the current UN war crimes to the point of sending troops into homes with guns blazing in Bosnia? If it does bother you what do you suggest be done?
19 posted on 07/02/2002 11:15:36 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
Before I allow anything to bother me, I study the issue from as many sides as possible and ascertain the truth, insofar as I can. So far as I know, the incident to which you allude has been covered only briefly and one-sidedly in the press, which is a clear indication that the facts aren't in.

I have no illusions that Americans can somehow be involved in world affairs in active peace-keeping or war-fighting roles and never make mistakes, or errors of judgments. The press seems to somehow believe that in our dangerous world, if America only WANTED to, we could be perfect. Accordingly, we are held to a FAR higher standard than any other country. Well, we're good, but we're never going to be that good.

This is PRECISELY the reason that we cannot go along with this extra-national ICC. Our standards for ourselves are already high, but the standards that the world tries to hold us to are impossible.
20 posted on 07/03/2002 5:33:29 AM PDT by walden
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