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China Has Major Trouble With New Kilo Submarines
Taipei Times | July 2, 2002 | Brian Hsu

Posted on 07/02/2002 12:53:22 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

China is having big problems maintaining its Russian-built and supplied Kilo-class submarines, although it is planning to buy even more, defense sources said yesterday.

The Chinese navy has four Kilo-class submarines, which are the most advanced submarines in its fleet and the only ones it has obtained from abroad.

The sources said two of the submarines had been taken out of service over two years ago, after developing serious battery problems. They speculated that they had been taken to Russia for repair.

The four submarines are of an older type of Kilo, the first of which was delivered in 1995. The Chinese navy is reportedly planning to buy more of the vessels, perhaps as many as eight, according to Jane's Defence Weekly.

The Canada-based Kanwa Information Center, a defense-oriented news Web site, was the first to reveal in late 2000 that China planned to send the two Kilos back to Russia for repair.

Over the past 18 months, Taiwan's intelligence authorities have been closely monitoring the movements of the two Kilos.

Although intelligence authorities could uncover no direct evidence, they do know that the submarines had left their base in China.

The fate of the Kilos indicates that the Chinese military has yet to develop the ability to operate advanced weapons systems purchased from abroad, the sources said.

However, a Taiwanese defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Taiwan was also having difficulties.

"We have similar problems here in Taiwan. Just think of the many problems we have experienced while bringing into service new weapons systems bought from abroad over recent years," the official said.

"New problems will arise in the future, as the eight diesel-powered submarines that the US has promised to sell to Taiwan are delivered. It will be the first time that the navy has owned so many submarines at the same time," he said.

"If the navy can't make itself ready for the operation of so many submarines before delivery, it will be Taiwan's turn to become a laughing stock [in the eyes of] China," he said.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chinastuff

1 posted on 07/02/2002 12:53:22 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Mythical submarines that the US can't build and the Krauts refuse to build. I imagine that the Tiwanese will train on simulated crew stations. What a bunch of BULL!
2 posted on 07/02/2002 12:59:35 PM PDT by STD
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To: *China stuff
Bump
3 posted on 07/02/2002 1:08:26 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"China is having big problems maintaining its Russian-built and supplied Kilo-class submarines…”

Hmmm… let’s see, you buy submarines from a country that can’t even produce a car, and they’re not all you’d hoped for? Who’d a thunk???

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

4 posted on 07/02/2002 1:18:10 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: Stand Watch Listen
>>a defense-oriented news Web site, was the first to reveal in late 2000 that China planned to send the two Kilos back to Russia for repair.

A web site? Anyone can setup a web site.

5 posted on 07/02/2002 1:32:55 PM PDT by Lake
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Northrop Grumman and several other contractors are in the process of signing to produce eight SSKs for Taiwan. Likely prototypes include the German U-212/214 class and Australian Collins class.

Go

www.jedonline.com

6 posted on 07/02/2002 1:34:34 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The sources said two of the submarines had been taken out of service over two years ago, after developing serious battery problems.

Iran bought a couple of Kilo submarines about 7 or 8 years ago. Shortly after they entered service the Iranian Navy discovered something the Russians had forgotten to tell them. The Kilo batteries tend to explode when exposed to high temperatures. I wonder if the PLAN is finding the same problem with theirs?

7 posted on 07/02/2002 1:37:05 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Stand Watch Listen
That's the problem with buying things from Russia.

I bought a mail-ordered camera from Russia a few years back, and that thing was a piece of junk.
8 posted on 07/02/2002 3:21:13 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: Fishing-guy
Russian Submarines?

Q: How do you sink a Russian submarine?
A: Put it in the water.

9 posted on 07/02/2002 3:26:03 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Owl_Eagle
Hmmm… let’s see, you buy submarines from a country that can’t even produce a car, and they’re not all you’d hoped for? Who’d a thunk???

I guess that's why many foreigners (esp. journalists) who travel and live in Russia for extended periods of time use Russian made cars, huh?

Why don't you take your foot out of your mouth and $#!t on Ford instead.

10 posted on 07/02/2002 3:33:37 PM PDT by rwb
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To: STD
We should sell nuclear subs to the Taiwanese. Hell, we should just give them a couple.
11 posted on 07/02/2002 3:36:40 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: Stand Watch Listen
China Has Major Trouble With New Kilo Submarines

Screen Doors?

12 posted on 07/02/2002 3:43:37 PM PDT by Doomonyou
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To: Doomonyou
Doors?
13 posted on 07/02/2002 4:54:21 PM PDT by archy
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To: rwb
I guess that's why many foreigners (esp. journalists) who travel and live in Russia for extended periods of time use Russian made cars, huh?

Why don't you take your foot out of your mouth and $#!t on Ford instead.

I’m not sure I understand your post. You’re not suggesting that the Russians make a better car than Ford are you?

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

14 posted on 07/03/2002 5:07:03 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: Owl_Eagle
i'm suggesting that I wouldnt get/accept/buy a Ford if my life depended on it (and that's without the firestone tires).
15 posted on 07/03/2002 2:58:05 PM PDT by rwb
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