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Bush Stands His Ground in Fight over Global Court
Yahoo ^ | Tue Jul 2,12:41 PM ET | Adam Entous

Posted on 07/02/2002 12:19:49 PM PDT by B-bone

MILWAUKEE (Reuters) - President Bush said on Tuesday he would try to "work out" an impasse at the United Nations over the International Criminal Court but stuck to his refusal to submit U.S. soldiers to its jurisdiction.

Washington is waging a battle to obtain a loophole at the United Nations giving immunity to U.S. nationals serving overseas from the court, which came into force on Monday and was created to prosecute heinous wrongdoing like genocide, war crimes and gross human rights violations.

The United States fears politically motivated or frivolous prosecution of its peacekeepers and has threatened to kill off U.N. peace-keeping missions one by one until its concerns about the court are met. The White House denies it using the issue as a pretext to scale back its peace-keeping commitments.

Court supporters, including the 76 nations that have ratified the 1998 treaty creating the tribunal, argue the court provides sufficient protections and that United States hopes to undermine the court after failing to block the treaty itself.

Major powers Russia and China have also chosen not to join the court.

"As the United States works to bring peace around the world, our diplomats and our soldiers could be drug (dragged) into this court," Bush told reporters during a visit to Wisconsin, saying this would be "very troubling to me."

"We'll try to work out the impasse at the United Nations but one thing we're not going to do is sign on to the International Criminal Court," Bush added.

"The president thinks it is a vital matter of principle to protect American service men and women and peacekeepers," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer told reporters traveling with Bush to Wisconsin, where he pushed a welfare reform agenda.

In a sign of its determination on the issue, on Monday Washington said it was pulling all three U.S. soldiers out of a U.N. force in East Timor.

It also used its veto power in the U.N. Security Council to kill off the U.N. peacekeeping mission in Bosnia, only to relent within hours and agree to keep the mission alive until Wednesday midnight (0400 GMT on Thursday).

Fleischer said the global court was "fundamentally flawed because it puts American service men and women at fundamental risk of being tried (by) an entity that is beyond America's reach, beyond America's laws, and could subject Americans -- civilian and military -- to arbitrary standards of justice."

Asked if Bush was using the dispute as a pretext to get out of peacekeeping commitments, Fleischer said: "Absolutely not. This is on the merits of the trouble that the United States sees for (the) men and women who serve our country abroad."

Court supporters argue that the court charter already provides ample protections against possible abuse such as Washington fears.

But the United States says it still fears politically motivated or frivolous prosecution of its peacekeepers and other officials who might find themselves in a country that has ratified it.

Washington has threatened to withdraw from all U.N.-authorized peacekeeping missions around the world if the 15-nation Security Council fails to grant it assurances -- via council resolutions -- that U.S. nationals are safe from the court's grasp.

Fleischer said the dispute was being actively discussed at many levels, but added: "It's impossible to predict what the outcome will be."

"We are involved, deeply, globally, and the United States has a lot at risk," Fleischer said. "This is a threat to America's involvement (in peacekeeping)."


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Stand your ground
1 posted on 07/02/2002 12:19:49 PM PDT by B-bone
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To: B-bone
This is exactly why military folks love W. I'm always relieved whenever I among umfamiliar people and someone will introduce themselves as military, or married to military. I know I'm talking to a fellow patriot.
2 posted on 07/02/2002 12:22:58 PM PDT by gopwhit
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To: gopwhit
What, exactly, do we gain by taking part in a "world court ?"
3 posted on 07/02/2002 12:26:18 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: gopwhit
 
 


Thank You Mr. President !

4 posted on 07/02/2002 12:29:41 PM PDT by Crossbow Eel
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I honestly never figured out why Clinton advocated this, other than to blatently undermine the authority of American military. I'm sure the Klintoons explained it by referring to the "world community" of some sort....Clinton never wanted to intimidate the world with US supremacy in case it pissed off some bizarre contingent of loser dem voters. As we watched in Florida, it does take a lot of freaks to challenge the thoughtful choices of intelligent Repubs (and it almost worked) and the Klintoons knew they needed every last one.

But I'm sure there are others on this site who can more thoughtfully explain the thinking behind this world court concept....

5 posted on 07/02/2002 12:32:08 PM PDT by gopwhit
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
You have hit the nail on the head!

In order to do something..anything..you weigh both the Pros and Cons before undertaking the task.

What do we get out of this? We are a Superpower. Do we need to bring people (or countries) before a court? No. That is what war is for.

Divide and conquer.

6 posted on 07/02/2002 12:32:40 PM PDT by Fedupwithit
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To: B-bone
Thank God for GW Bush. Al would have had us in there ASAP.
7 posted on 07/02/2002 12:35:15 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
No question about it.
8 posted on 07/02/2002 12:36:41 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: gopwhit
I honestly never figured out why Clinton advocated this

I don't have the exact quote here at work but Maddie Albright summed up her administration's foreign policy view:

"It's not right that there's only one superpower!"

Thank God the adults are back.

9 posted on 07/02/2002 12:51:20 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"What, exactly, do we gain by taking part in a "world court ?""

Nothing, as far as I can see, Eric. But we WOULD give up our rights under our Constitution, which is what the U.N. would love to have us do. They've said in the past that it isn't FAIR that we have so many rights when other people are suffering. YEAH, SURE! That's the way to do it, U.N. You're a bunch of communists.
10 posted on 07/02/2002 12:52:18 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: B-bone
"...but one thing we're not
going to do is sign on to the International Criminal Court," Bush added. "

That's telling them, Dubya! Keep protecting our rights as Americans. (I LOVE having Bush as our President.)


11 posted on 07/02/2002 12:56:39 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: B-bone
"We'll try to work out the impasse at the United Nations but one thing we're not going to do is sign on to the International Criminal Court," Bush added.

How about we just work out the timetable on the cessation of funding the UN and its eviction from U.S. Soil Mr. President?

12 posted on 07/02/2002 12:59:29 PM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: Clara Lou
Gore, who (just for starters) committed espionage at the Buddhist temple, and tried to quash the military's votes in Florida.
13 posted on 07/02/2002 1:03:51 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: B-bone
Stand your ground

Unfortunately, Bush hasn't shown that he's one to "stand his ground". Remember, he's a uniter not a divider.
I expect that he will announce that the proper assurances have been given and trade away the position for some tacit support for an Iraq venture.
Of course, we'll all remember that he stood up to the rest of the world on this issue.
Could be that I'm too synical.
14 posted on 07/02/2002 1:46:46 PM PDT by unequallawsuntoasavagerace
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To: unequallawsuntoasavagerace
Unfortunately, compromise is the legal tender of politics (or I should say--the other legal tender--as all politicians will accept $ and the more the better.)

This however is an issue I don't think we need to compromise with, hence my comment of 'stand your ground'

15 posted on 07/02/2002 1:56:09 PM PDT by B-bone
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; gopwhit
What, exactly, do we gain by taking part in a "world court ?"

Only a severe loss of sovreignty.

16 posted on 07/02/2002 7:18:21 PM PDT by dodger
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To: B-bone
"We'll try to work out the impasse at the United Nations. But one thing we're not going to do is sign on to the International Criminal Court," Bush said during a brief visit here to tout his domestic agenda.

This is exactly the kind of statement by Bush that disturbs me. How/why can/would Bush work out an impasse with an organization that would usurp American sovereignty? Any President who would turn over American sovereignty is not performing his mandated responsiblity to uphold our constitution.

Before we/you Bushbots give Bush attaboys for this one, why don't you ask him what he has done to rescind Clinton's signature? While you're at it, why don't you ask him what he has done to prevent a future globalistsocialistcommunist Democrat President from sending the Clinton signed treaty to a future sympathetic Senate for ratification?

17 posted on 07/02/2002 7:56:10 PM PDT by Nephi
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To: Nephi
Before we/you Bushbots give Bush attaboys for this one, why don't you ask him what he has done to rescind Clinton's signature?

Clinton loved this thing. He signed the treaty. Signing the treaty wasn't enough to subject the United States to the jurisdiction of this court – Senate ratification was still needed. But Clinton's signature gave the ICC legitimacy. President Bush undid that damage – or part of it – by removing the U.S. signature from this hideous document.

Now shut the hell up.

18 posted on 07/02/2002 7:59:54 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
One thing will shut me up, you idiot - proof. You got nothing but rhetoric. If your head wasn't so far up Bush's bunginghah, you'd realize that.

Bush has said that he won't sign onto the ICC... he doesn't have to, Clinton signed it. Ask Bush what he DID to unsign it besides say the nice pretty words that soothe your pea brain so.

19 posted on 07/02/2002 8:12:35 PM PDT by Nephi
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To: B-bone
Thank you Mr. President. Please stand firm.
20 posted on 07/02/2002 8:18:43 PM PDT by Ahban
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