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Bill to end Cuba travel ban introduced (by Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz)
sun-sentinel ^ | 6/26/2002 | WILLIAM E. GIBSON

Posted on 07/01/2002 8:19:29 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: commies; cuba; unamericans

1 posted on 07/01/2002 8:19:29 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cuba Supplies BW Technology To Libya, Syria
http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/news/709264/posts


Sure Flake why not give the commie more money to kill us with. Your name says it all.



2 posted on 07/01/2002 8:27:32 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Fidel loves this embargo, it keeps out American troublemakers with Capitalist ideas and gives him someone to blame for his failures.

I have been there, it's a good place to see 1958 American automobiles.

3 posted on 07/01/2002 8:47:35 PM PDT by Colombia59
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To: Colombia59
Thanks for posting. I guess no one really cares here if the ban is lifted? The Silence is telling!
4 posted on 07/01/2002 8:56:12 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Thanks for posting. I guess no one really cares here if the ban is lifted? The Silence is telling!

So far the ban hasn't accomplished anything, Castro is still in power and socialism still reigns. What makes you think the results will improve if it continues?

Its time we tried another approach.

5 posted on 07/01/2002 9:23:21 PM PDT by FreeLibertarian
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To: FreeLibertarian
Castro's commie cuba is a threat to America. I have an idea for something new. We take the commies out. We attack them like we did to Bin Laden. That is the only way. You do NOT give the enemy your money so he can attack you.
6 posted on 07/01/2002 9:46:09 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
I seem to remember a commitment that we made not to invade Cuba. That agreement has worked very well for almost forty years and Castro is no more of a threat than a mosquito. Why would we want to make the situation worse when we might be able to make it better?
7 posted on 07/01/2002 10:15:50 PM PDT by FreeLibertarian
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To: FreeLibertarian
The Soviets removed their missiles from Cuba on the condition that the United States wouldn't invade Cuba or provide support to insurgents who wanted to do so.


8 posted on 07/01/2002 10:17:54 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: TLBSHOW
For many years I was ambivielant toward the embargo. On one hand, why should we trade with our enemy? But on the other hand, exposure to democracy may be a good thing.

Then it hit me. Since Castro is so anti-capitalist, why should we give him our money? The currant wrenched state of affairs in Cuba is an indictment on socialism. It needs an influx of capitalist dollars to survive. Like the dead beat brother-in-law who can't hold a job, Cuba needs our dollars.

So why don't we force Castro to stay true to his socialist doctrine and keep our dollars at home.

9 posted on 07/01/2002 10:28:40 PM PDT by gracie1
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To: TLBSHOW
my big issue is the hypocrisy. China gets most favored nation status, we open up sweat shops for american companies there to replace american jobs, and we are free to travel there. China has 1 billion people and nukes.

We embargo Cuba where they have squat. I honestly don't care if we have the same policy towards both either towards opening relations, or embargos, but let's not kid ourselves that it is a noble thing.

Those whacky Cubans in Florida are a big part of what is going on. Castro is worse, but not by much. Some of those old timers in Florida, who thankfully are dying off, didn't want democracy in Cuba. They wanted Bastita II. I say F Castro, and F the Florida nutbags.

We could lure Castro with american dollars in exchange for american media access into Cuba, if he turns it down, screw him.

10 posted on 07/01/2002 10:34:07 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: madfly
fyi
11 posted on 07/01/2002 10:52:44 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: TLBSHOW
Flake certainly has been on a grand roll to bend over for Castro. I wonder who's yanking his chain.

The Cuba Policy Foundation is yet another Arca Foundation front to funnel money to pro-Castro groups. Arca is headed by Smith Bagley of Elian DNC fundraiser fame and Sally Grooms Cowal runs the CPA. Prior to that, she ran the Youth for Understanding organization that "housed" Elian and Castro's goons in D.C. until Clinton could send him back.

12 posted on 07/02/2002 2:50:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
By: Jesús J. Chao

1/24/2002

The more things change in Cuba, the more it remains the same. To dispel any doubts about it, Fidel Castro has made it very clear that he is not contemplating any meaningful economic or political change in Cuba for the next one hundred years. When CNN’s Bernard Shaw interviewed the Cuban tyrant on October 22, 1995 he asked if he would retire in order to facilitate an economic recovery in Cuba, but he was adamant- he would not. When he questioned if he would allow another political party in Cuba, the dictator for life responded – not in one year, not in ten years, not even in 100 years. A Hitler’s fan, Castro is more modest, he is foreseen only 100 years forward not 1,000 as his German homologue. Evidently Castro thinks he will break the record of Methuselah!

Nevertheless, there is a rush of American investors interested in embracing Castro, regardless of the risks involved in dealing with a regime that has proved for 43 yeas to be a model of mismanagement and ineptitude. Castro has brought economic chaos to a country that, at the time he came into power in 1959, had one of the most solid economies and highest standard of living in Latin America and of most of Western Europe. The Cuban peso was a hard currency internationally accepted on par with the dollar.

Even though Cuba is the main terrorist base in this hemisphere and a mortal enemy of the U.S., there is a well-financed disinformation campaign by Castro’s agents and sympathizers in the West, and even by foreign investors, to end the U.S. trade embargo and promote American investments in Cuba. They allege that Americans are losing great business opportunities while the European and Latin American investors are reaping huge profits. Foreign investors, in connivance with Castro, participate in the distress sell out of the Cuban patrimony and the properties of American citizens that were once confiscated by the communist regime. They are involved, as stated by the Burton-Helms Bill, in the trafficking of stolen properties.

Another point to take into consideration is that in Cuba there is no private property and all the investments are “joint ventures” in which Castro is the controlling partner. Cuba is a country where there is no the rule of law, laws is frequently changed overnight according to the whims of the all-powerful tyrant. Like in a pact with the devil in which they come under his total and full control.

The foreign investors were lured by the promises of cheap labor and a work force without any right to protest, much less to strike. But, the devil’s deal went much farther; the foreign unscrupulous investors acquiesced to be involved in the worst exploitation of slave labor since Hitler’s times. The foreign investors could not hire the Cuban workers directly; they had to go through their business partner, Fidel Castro, who charged them seven to eight thousand dollars a year for each worker while paying the workers in Cuban pesos the equivalent of $180 a year. A 97% bribe, an extortion without parallel in the world!

The exploitation of the Cuban worker, together with the proceeding of money laundering from terrorism and drug trafficking, are the main sources of Castro’s huge fortune that places him among the richest chiefs of state in the world according to Forbes magazine. In the meanwhile the Cuban people are suffering the worse period of poverty and oppression ever experienced in its history.

American companies cannot deal with the Cuban government due to the compulsory bribery practices involved in any deal with that regime which implicates the breaking of the U.S. laws governing American business operating around the world.

Before jumping into Cuba’s economic black hole, American investors should be aware that according to "Euromoney” magazine the country investment risk survey, done in 1995, placed Cuba in 183rd place out of 187 countries, ranking it even below Somalia. “Why then, investors may ask, should they bother with Cuba in a world replete with opportunities and a more welcoming governments,” the Financial Times reported on June 30, 1995. The situation in Cuba is even worse today.

The French oil company Total, left Cuba after incurring great loses without finding a single barrel of oil. Likewise Fracmaster, a Canadian energy company, left for “lack of opportunities.” The powerful Spanish financial group, Endesa, with projects in Cuba of over $100 million dollars, also discontinued its association with Castro and sued his regime at the Chamber of Commerce in Paris for $12 million dollars for breaking contractual agreements. The Spanish Guitar Hotels group has also liquidated its investments in Cuba, and Castro’s closest associated Melia Hotels’ chain has closed about half of its numerous hotels in Cuba for lack of tourists. In spite of the enticing low rates, the tourist who goes once to Castro’s Cuba never returns unless he/she is a communist zealot.

Prospective investors should ask, what purchase power can people have whose average salary is less than $7 dollars a month? Although Cuba is in dire need of everything, how will they pay? Cuba’s international credit is nil after the regime stopped making payments on its $12 billion dollars debt to the Paris Club of European banks. Castro also owes over $3 billion dollars to Japan, about $9 billion to Spain, $1.28 billion to the now bankrupt Argentina, in addition to the billions owed to England, Canada and every other country which unwisely gave him a line of credit.

Castro has been very candid by repeatedly maintaining that he will never allow in Cuba any changes that may threaten his Stalinist scheme, much less to allow the free enterprise system. Don’t count on the protection of any law that favors foreign investment- in Cuba, nothing, according to Castro, is irreversible. Those who think they are going to reap quick profits in partnership with Castro, sooner rather than later, will find that they will loose their investments.

The American taxpayers should be aware that the foreign investors caught in Castro’s scam want them to assume the Soviet Union’s role of subsidizing the Cuban regime at the tune of $8 billion dollars annually, hoping that they may recoup some of their ill advised investments.

Forty-three years of tourism and Western credits have not brought freedom or well being for the Cuban people, in fact, it has further increased repression since the profits go directly to Castro’s repressive apparatus. Castro demands from the U.S. to unconditionally surrender its policy towards Cuba and some American politicians and multinationals are willing to oblige without any quid pro quo, just to appease the Cuban dictator.

The Cuban regime is economically, ideologically and morally bankrupt. Those who have been helping to keep afloat the Cuban tyrannical regime for over four decades will pay dearly when Cuba is liberated and return to the rule of law under a democratic government. The American taxpayers should not allow to be charged for unwise business deals made by corrupt companies. Honest American investors should be patient. At the end, they will receive the good will and the rewards for being one of the very few countries that remained in solidarity with the Cuban people’s plight for freedom and democracy during the most tragic period of that county’s history.

Castro's charade of pledging socialism to eternity should have put a stop to those trying to do business with Cuba at the expense of the American taxpayers. They should be ashamed if they have any sense of responsibility towards the hard worked and overburdened American taxpayers.

13 posted on 07/02/2002 5:15:34 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: dogbyte12
"On Trade, Cuba is Not China"

Senator Jesse Helms

The New York Times

June 24, 2000

Some lawmakers, including a number of Republicans, have argued in recent weeks that if Congress believes trade will promote democratic change in China, then why not adopt the same policy for Cuba? Here is why: Cuba is not China.

The argument that American investment will democratize China has itself been wildly oversold. Beijing is doing everything in its power to dampen the impact of private investment: placing stringent control on the Internet (all users must register with the Public Security Bureau), and most recently declaring that it will insert "party cells" into every private business that operates in China. But regardless of how one feels about permanent normalized trade with China, there is simply no case to be made that investment would democratize Cuba.

Cuba has undertaken none of the market reforms that China has in recent years; there is no private property, and there are no entrepreneurs with whom to do business.

The Fidel Castro regime maintains power by controlling every single aspect of Cuban life: access to food, access to education, access to health care, access to work.

This permits Castro to stifle any and all dissent. Any Cuban daring to say the wrong thing, by Castro's standards, loses his or her job. Anyone refusing to spy on a neighbor is denied a university education. Anyone daring to organize an opposition group goes to jail.

American investment cannot and will not change any of this. It cannot empower individual Cubans, or give them independence from the regime, because foreign investors in Cuba cannot do business with private citizens. They can do business only with Fidel Castro.

It is illegal in Cuba for anyone except the regime to employ workers. That means that foreign investors cannot hire or pay workers directly. They must go to the Cuban government employment agency, which picks the workers. The investors then pay Castro in hard currency for the workers, and Castro pays the workers in worthless pesos.

Here is a real-life example: Sherritt International of Canada, the largest foreign investor in Cuba, operates a nickel mine in Moa Bay (a mine, incidentally, which Cuba stole from an American company). Roughly 1,500 Cubans work there as virtual slave laborers. Sherritt pays Castro approximately $10,000 a year for each of these Cuban workers. Castro gives the workers about $18 a month in pesos, then pockets the difference.

The net result is a subsidy of nearly $15 million in hard currency each year that Castro then uses to pay for the security apparatus that keeps the Cubans enslaved. Those who advocate lifting the embargo speak in broad terms about using investment to promote democracy in Cuba. But I challenge them to explain exactly how, under this system, investment can do anything to help the Cuban people.

The anti-embargo crowd should drop its rhetoric about promoting democracy and be honest: the one reason for their push to lift sanctions on Cuba is to pander to well-intentioned American farmers, who have been misled by the agribusiness giants into believing that going into business with a bankrupt Communist island is a solution to the farm crisis in America.

Whoever has convinced farmers that their salvation lies in trade with Cuba has sold them a bill of goods. Cuba is desperately poor, barely able to feed its own people, much less save the American farmer.

Castro wants the American embargo lifted because he is desperate for hard currency. After the Soviet Union collapsed and Moscow's subsidies ended, Castro turned to European and Canadian investors to keep his Communist system afloat. Now he wants American investors to do the same. We must not allow that to happen.

Unfortunately, some in Washington are all too willing to give Castro what he wants. At the least they should stop pretending that they are doing this to promote Cuban democracy and American

14 posted on 07/02/2002 5:26:39 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Dqban22
BUMP!
15 posted on 07/03/2002 2:59:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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