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Senate Backs Plan For ''Ghost Fleet''
Norfolk Virginian-Pilot | June 28, 2002 | Dale Eisman

Posted on 06/28/2002 6:39:58 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

WASHINGTON -- Senators joined the House of Representatives on Thursday in backing a $20 million plan to clean up the worst of the James River's ``Ghost Fleet'' of decrepit merchant ships.

Senators authorized the Navy to shift the needed funds to the U.S. Maritime Administration, which would oversee the project. Plans call for scrapping 135 ships; 73 of those are moored in the James near Fort Eustis in Newport News.

The money for the project is to be provided in separate legislation.

Twenty-three of the ships in the James are considered ``high risk.''

That means their hulls have rusted or corroded to the point that large amounts of oil or other hazardous substances still aboard could be released into the river.

The Maritime Administration has the rest of the ships moored near Beaumont, Texas, and in the Suisun Bay, near Benicia, Ca.

``A growing number of regulators, marine inspectors, environmentalists and workers who oversee the ghost fleet suggest that an environmental disaster is likely -- if not imminent,'' said U.S. Sen. John W. Warner, R-Va.

Warner praised workers trying to contain leaks from tanks inside the ships but said ``they are fighting a losing battle.'' The Maritime Administration is spending about $2.7 million annually to care for the ships.

Thursday's Senate vote paralleled action last month in the House. That means permission for the cleanup is virtually certain to be included in the final version of the 2003 Defense Authorization Bill when it reaches the floor of both houses in September.

The Senate's proposal for the $393 billion bill, which sets policies for military spending, was approved in a 97-2 vote Thursday. The House meanwhile, voted 413-18 for a separate defense bill

Both bills closely track the Bush administration's defense proposals. They would provide uniformed personnel with pay raises of at least 4.1 percent, with higher increases for troops at some mid-career ranks.

The bills also provide for a landmark shift in the military's retirement program, permitting some disabled retirees to collect both their pension checks and disability benefits paid by the Veterans Administration. Current law bars such ``concurrent receipt,'' so retirees' pensions are reduced by the amount of their disability payments.

Initially, concurrent receipt is to be available only for retirees judged at least 60 percent disabled. But senators agreed in principle to extend it to all disabled military retirees, endorsing a benefit that could cost taxpayers $4 billion or more per year.

The Bush administration has threatened to veto the entire defense spending package if it includes concurrent receipt. Military retirees are the only group of government or civilian pensioners whose retirement benefits can be offset by VA benefits.

The White House also is threatening a veto over action by Democratic senators to trim just over $800 million from the president's plan to develop missile defense systems.

But in an attempt at compromise engineered by Warner and Armed Services Committee chairman Carl M. Levin, D-Mi., senators also agreed Thursday that the administration may apply to missile defense any savings gained from lower-than-expected inflationary cost increases in other military programs.

Warner told colleagues that the Defense Department expects more than $814 million in inflation-related savings next year.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; US: California; US: Texas; US: Virginia
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1 posted on 06/28/2002 6:39:59 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Suisun Bay is where the Iowa is parked. There are dozens and dozens of big gray ghosts moored along side her.
2 posted on 06/28/2002 6:54:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I've heard that there is a group trying to get the Iowa turned into a musuem. I doubt it will happen within the next few years though.

Many of those ships in Suisun Bay look like scrap already. The scrap metal will likely be sold to China (to return at a later date).

3 posted on 06/28/2002 7:13:29 AM PDT by Sunnyvale CA Eng.
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To: Sunnyvale CA Eng.
The scrap metal will likely be sold to China (to return at a later date).

Hmmm. Didn't we do that to Japan in the 1920's and 30's???

4 posted on 06/28/2002 7:18:14 AM PDT by null and void
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
We need to recommission the Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri and Wisconsin. ASAP.
5 posted on 06/28/2002 7:26:54 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: hchutch
The Missouri is on permanent display at Pearl Harbor. The Iowa is permanently damaged following the mid turret explosion of a decade ago. I don't know the disposition of the Wisconsin or New Jersey.
Someone said they tried to fire up a couple of the Suisun ghosts for Desert Storm but they never made it past the Golden Gate.
6 posted on 06/28/2002 7:45:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The New Jersey is a floating museum now, docked in Camden NJ which is right across the Deleware River from Philadelphia.
7 posted on 06/28/2002 7:51:08 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I was told that we don't have any 16 inchers in the fleet. Does anybody know if this is true and if it is, what is the largest that we have?
8 posted on 06/28/2002 7:52:45 AM PDT by gilor
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To: gilor
Big 16 inch shells with their 20-23 mile range are a little passe. Missiles from newer destroyers can outperform them, cheaper and quicker.
9 posted on 06/28/2002 7:59:47 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: pepsi_junkie
I'm in Phily every few months (to Valley Forge)...
Where do I call for a tour of the NJ ?
10 posted on 06/28/2002 8:01:27 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
cheaper? really?
11 posted on 06/28/2002 8:21:38 AM PDT by gilor
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To: gilor
For what it would take to refit the last of the Iowa class battlewagons, we could build most of a new destroyer. They run cleaner (no Number 6 fuel oil) and have smaller crews.
The only one that I know of available would be the Wisconsin. The Iowas were designed in the 1930's and really are museum pieces.
12 posted on 06/28/2002 9:06:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I just love these threads. I love to see you guys "talk shop." Never know what you might pick up here!
13 posted on 06/28/2002 9:09:22 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I dearly love collecting lore on these old girls. I got more than a few pictures, books, drawings, etc, especially on the Iowa class battleships.
A little known fact is there was to be an Illinois and a Kentucky, the 5th and 6th of the Iowa class. Work actually began on both of these but was never completed. In the 1950's, the Wisconsin collided with another vessel at sea, damaging the distinctive Iowa class bow. The nose section from the partially built Illinois was grafted on to the Wisconsin and the remains of the Illinois were broken up.
14 posted on 06/28/2002 9:58:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; Snow Bunny
Have you showed that stuff to Snow Bunny? I bet she'd love to post it on the Canteen thread!
15 posted on 06/28/2002 10:21:45 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
No. I can't claim authorship. Its all in the public domain.
16 posted on 06/28/2002 10:24:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Link her up! Sounds right up her ally!
17 posted on 06/28/2002 10:29:15 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I've also got some neat stuff on Great Lakes vessels which are closer to my own experience than anything the navy has. I recently acquired a ship's bell that's pretty neat. Weighs about 80 pounds.
18 posted on 06/28/2002 11:07:10 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I'll get you a contact, give me a day or so. I havent been over there yet myself (and I only live 15 mins away...shame on me!)
19 posted on 06/29/2002 1:19:14 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Okay, I dont think you need to call anyone, just show up during open hours. Here is some info. If you need me to do any more legwork for you, I'll be happy to do so. Just give me a holler!

Battleship NJ Museum Pamphlet

20 posted on 06/29/2002 1:26:30 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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