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Religion and the Constitution
TownHall.com ^ | 6/28/02 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 06/27/2002 10:58:41 PM PDT by kattracks

Now that the decision of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to ban "under God" from the pledge of allegiance has been protested all over the landscape, perhaps we might step back and consider the broader implications of the fact that such a decision could have been made in the first place.

The ostensible basis for the 9th Circuit decision is the Constitution of the United States. Contrary to what some may think, there is no mention of "separation of church and state" in the Constitution, much less any "wall of separation" that keeps getting mentioned, even in Supreme Court decisions.

What the First Amendment to the Constitution says is that Congress shall make no law "respecting an establishment of religion." England had an established religion, supported by the taxpayers and with its members given privileges denied to members of other congregations.

Since the people who wrote the Constitution of the United States were Englishmen, they knew exactly what they meant when they said that they wanted no establishment of religion in the United States. Wise men wrote the Constitution, but clever judges have been destroying it, bit by bit, turning it into an instrument of arbitrary judicial power, instead of a limitation on all government power.

The 9th Circuit's decision is almost certain to be reversed by the U.S. Supreme Court. But the trend which that arbitrary decision represents is not only unlikely to be reversed, it has been exhibited in recent decisions of the Supreme Court itself.

One of the reasons courts at all levels get away with imposing judges' personal views as the law of the land is that so much of the public and the media view each decision in terms of whether they agree with the particular policy it represents. But the destruction of the separation of powers, which is central to the Constitution, is infinitely more important than whether policy A is better or worse than policy B.

Letting judges change the law by verbal sleight of hand is especially dangerous in a country where the people are supposed to have the power to control the laws they live under via their elected representatives.

Those who question whether the government ought to be in the business of promoting any religious concepts among school children can raise that as an issue that we can fight out among ourselves. It is denying us the right to fight it out among ourselves by judicial fiat that is the real danger.

We become diverted from that overriding danger when we allow ourselves to be distracted by the particular merits or demerits of particular arbitrary judicial decisions, whether on religion, property rights or the death penalty.

If the people can be conned into giving up their rights by pious rhetoric from judges who claim to be "interpreting" the "values" of the Constitution, then "con law" no longer means Constitutional law but laws imposed by con artists.

What are the options when judges themselves show the kind of reckless disregard of the law represented by this 9th Circuit decision?

We can, through apathy or inertia or outrage that blows over and then accepts the usurpation of power, let the erosion of our rights continue with a progressive extension of judicial tyranny. That would be a betrayal of all those who fought and died for those rights over the generations and centuries.

We could reach the point where elected officials simply refuse to follow what the courts say. As President Andrew Jackson declared: "John Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it." If this becomes the prevailing practice, that way lies anarchy.

We could start impeaching judges, including Supreme Court justices, who twist the law beyond its plain and obvious meaning. This approach is not without dangers, but neither is supinely accepting judicial fiats.

We could elect a Senate that will confirm judicial nominees who have a record of sticking to what the written law says, not those who rule on the basis of their own whims or the dictates of political correctness. We have a chance to try that this November before resorting to more drastic measures.

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©2002 Creators Syndicate, Inc.



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1 posted on 06/27/2002 10:58:41 PM PDT by kattracks
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2 posted on 06/27/2002 11:08:23 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: kattracks
"Contrary to what some may think, there is no mention of "separation of church and state" in the Constitution, much less any "wall of separation" that keeps getting mentioned, even in Supreme Court decisions."

Pretty much what I've been yelling at the t.v. (and the IDIOT reporters) all day.

redrock

3 posted on 06/27/2002 11:14:07 PM PDT by redrock
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To: kattracks
The question every secular humanist liberal needs to be asked is, "Historically, what did the phrase 'establishment of religion' mean in 17th-century and 18-century Anglo-American political experience?" It has to do with relations between different Christian denominations at the political level.
4 posted on 06/27/2002 11:19:46 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
With some reluctance, I can see how the non strict constructionists read the modern connotations of the words into the document. "Religion" in the First Amendment sense is now viewed as virtually anything that appears to endorse a deity, however vaguely. It's a point which is debated for other terms in the Constitution as well. For example, what is a "cruel" or an "unusual" punishment... did the founders wish us to forever fix on the founding period for these moral judgments?
5 posted on 06/27/2002 11:46:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: kattracks
BUMP for reading when the chaos here has lessened.
6 posted on 06/28/2002 12:01:28 AM PDT by Quix
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Or some might ask, " By the mere mention of the words 'under God' which Christian denomination is 'established' as the official state religion to the detriment of the other Christian denominations - Baptists, Episcopalians, Congregationalists?" It could be argued that proposing the existence of God or of a Supreme Being, a Deity, in propositional discourse does not create a "state church" in the legal senses which "establishment" conventionally meant in Anglo-American culture.
7 posted on 06/28/2002 12:06:32 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Probably so. The modern construal of "establishment" is something much weaker than the authors of the amendment meant, which would be a real live church having a mechanism of ecclesial governance.
8 posted on 06/28/2002 12:22:43 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The key area, I believe, and the one which gave rise to Jefferson's famous "wall of separation" statement (if I have this right), had to do with relations between the Baptists and Episcopalians in Virginia.

Where you might have a situation that the Episcopalian leadership structure, style, and approach to Christianity would dominate over the Baptist version, you would end up with conflicts. Both, however, assumed the existence of God, recognized the divinity of Jesus, revered the Bible, and upheld the traditional moral code, so the mention of such things in public discourse or in the context of education would not have been shocking or provocative. Not favoring one over the other by not making one denomination the official "state church" would have been the priority rather then protecting people from being offended by the mention of God or Jesus, as the current spin has drifted.

9 posted on 06/28/2002 12:32:33 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
If this were meant to be restricted in its scope to "relations between different Christian denominations at the political level," the framers of the First Amendment could have said so. Several drafts of that Amendment referred in different ways to the "Christian religion."

In the end, however, the wording adopted referred purely and simply to "religion." I cannot see that as having been accidental. At the very least -- with their being present in the high councils of state and of government finance -- those of that time were reckoning on the presence of Jews.

No establishment favoring any religion, made simple in its expression, may have been seen at the time to only extend, in a practical manner, to Christian denominations and to Jews, since almost no one of any other (or no professed) religion was visibly present in the country. Yet they set out a principle. And that would, in time, logically extend to all religions ... and, finally, to those with no religion at all.

I am inclined to believe that the rationalist and Enlightenment influence on the Founders made them choose the broader principle, even with its logical implications. Jefferson intuited them with considerable speed, in his famous, albeit privately expressed, view on "separation."

If they really wanted this to only apply to "Christian denominations," they would have SAID SO!

10 posted on 06/28/2002 1:17:26 AM PDT by Greybird
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To: Greybird
Which is why for 200 years the possibility of being offended by mention of the word "God" was on the minds of
our presidents, prayer banned in all schools and in congress, etc., ? That's what "establishment" meant in the 1780s? Problem seems to be in thinking of schools as citizen-defining institutions of the state rather than as the private pursuit of knowledge, enrichment, and free enquiry.
11 posted on 06/28/2002 1:24:08 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Greybird
If they really wanted this to only apply to "Christian denominations,"

Gee, which North American colonies had non-Christian "establishments" of church affiliation?

12 posted on 06/28/2002 1:26:06 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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What the First Amendment to the Constitution says is that, --
-- "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, ---"

No law 'respecting an establishment' --
-- means no law that pays 'respect' to any of the established 'structures' of religions.
-- No laws favoring one religion over another.
--No laws about religious dogma.

And, ---

-- No 1954 act of congress respecting the religious doctrine that we are all 'under god'.

You may feel you are under some god, -- I may not. - And congress shall make no law saying so.
13 posted on 06/28/2002 1:30:34 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: kattracks
Wise men wrote the Constitution, but clever judges have been destroying it, bit by bit, turning it into an instrument of arbitrary judicial power, instead of a limitation on all government power.

Thomas Sowell ping!

14 posted on 06/28/2002 7:18:47 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: tpaine
Nor shall congress make any law saying not. Those who would forbid any mention of even the word "God" outside of reference to any particular estblished religion are trying to impose secularism on us all, which is forbidden, and destructive of the very foundations of these United States of America.

Nor shall the courts make any law, period, which was Mr. Sowell's primary point.

15 posted on 06/30/2002 11:41:35 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: tpaine
Nor shall congress make any law saying not. Those who would forbid any mention of even the word "God" outside of reference to any particular estblished religion are trying to impose secularism on us all, which is forbidden, and destructive of the very foundations of these United States of America.

Nor shall the courts make any law, period, which was Mr. Sowell's primary point.

16 posted on 07/01/2002 12:15:19 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow
Sorry for the dup post - my cat did it - honest ...

17 posted on 07/01/2002 12:31:46 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow
Whatever. -- At least we can agree that religion should be kept out of government, and courts out of lawmaking.
18 posted on 07/01/2002 8:29:27 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
No - religion is at the foundations of our society. We would agree only that government should not prefer one religious establishment over another.
19 posted on 07/01/2002 10:53:42 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow
At least we can agree that religion should be kept out of government




No - religion is at the foundations of our society.

We would agree only that government should not prefer one religious establishment over another.




I agree, - religion is one of the foundations of our society.

But government, in an act of congress, said we are a nation "under God'. -- Which, in effect, 'prefers' one religious establishment over another. -- And proclaims we are ALL 'under' this 'God'.

---- There are millions of citizens in this country that do not believe we are 'under' any particular god, or gods, or even in any such concepts as a god. -- A petty point, to be sure. --
---- But those who loudly proclaim their godly motives could also conceed, turn the other cheek, and honor the obvious intent of the constitution.

--- Politics & religion do not mix. --- See 9/11.





20 posted on 07/01/2002 11:50:23 AM PDT by tpaine
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