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Justice Department to Take Action On Ruling That Pledge of Allegiance Is Unconstitutional
AP Breaking News/ Tampa Bay Online ^ | June 27, 2002 | Christopher Newton

Posted on 06/27/2002 3:43:04 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!

Justice Department Says It Will Request Full Appeals Court Hearing on Ruling That Pledge of Allegiance Is Unconstitutional

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department will request a full hearing by the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals on the decision that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools is unconstitutional, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Thursday.

Circuit Judge Alfred T. Goodwin had already decided to stay his ruling until fellow members of the appeals court decide whether to reconsider the case. Goodwin wrote the 2-1 opinion by a court panel that said the phrase "under God" violated the Constitution.

Ashcroft said, "The Justice Department will defend the ability of our nation's children to pledge allegiance to the American flag, by requesting a hearing en banc by the full 9th Circuit."

Goodwin's decision and Ashcroft's request mean that all present judges on the 9th Circuit will likely consider the case again. The first ruling was handed down by three judges.

Virtually the entire Senate showed up for a morning prayer Thursday, heads bowed as they stood at their desks, to affirm that the United States is "one nation under God."

A nearly full House gathered for an enthusiastic recitation of the pledge, and later passed, 416-3, a resolution protesting Wednesday's decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

President Bush denounced the court ruling as "out of step with the traditions and history of America."

The House action came the day after a similar resolution was approved in the Senate. Lawmakers in both chambers - and both parties - bitterly condemned the court ruling handed down in California.

"This absurd decision was made by a court run amok," said House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, R-Texas. "This Congress is not going to let anyone strip our nation of our proud heritage - not now, not ever."

Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., asked, "What's next, a court ruling taking 'In God we trust' off the money? Or how about banning the performance of 'God Bless America' for Fourth of July celebrations?"

Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va., who opposed the resolution, said that although he believes the pledge in schools should be found constitutional, the issue is best left to the courts.

"The only thing worse than the decision is the spectacle of members of the United States House of Representatives putting aside discussion of prescription drugs for Medicare to take up this resolution," Scott said.

Reps. Pete Stark and Michael Honda, both California Democrats, cast the other two "no" votes. Eleven Democrats voted simply "present."

Both houses of Congress start each working day with the pledge, but typically only a few lawmakers are in the chambers to recite it.

"We acknowledge the separation of sectarianism and state, but affirm the belief that there is no separation between God and state," Senate Chaplain Lloyd Ogilvie said in Thursday's morning prayer.

The Senate floor and partly filled visitors galleries were hushed as Ogilvie proclaimed, "We are one Senate, united under you, to lead a nation that is free to say confidently, 'In God we trust.'"

While in Canada for an economic summit, Bush promised to appoint judges who would overturn such rulings.

"America is a nation ... that values our relationship with the Almighty," Bush told reporters. "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God."

"We are one nation under God. We affirmed that today as Americans, not as Republicans or Democrats, and we did so proudly," said Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., who on Wednesday called the court's decision "nuts."

Senators passed a resolution denouncing the court's decision, which came in a lawsuit filed by a California father who objected to his daughter's being compelled to listen to her second-grade classmates recite the pledge.

Other lawmakers, including Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., a potential 2004 presidential candidate, called for a constitutional amendment to make sure the words stay in the pledge.

"There may have been a more senseless, ridiculous decision issued by a court at some time, but I don't remember it," Lieberman said.

If Wednesday's ruling is not overturned by the full 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, the Supreme Court probably will review the case next year, constitutional scholars said.

The 9th Circuit Court is known as the most liberal appeals court in the nation. Democrats and Republicans have been fighting all year over the pace of the Senate's confirmation of Bush's conservative judicial nominations.

Democrats pointed out that it was a Republican, President Nixon, who appointed Goodwin to the appeals court in 1971.

AP-ES-06-27-02 1732EDT

This story can be found at: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAQBQO5Z2D.html



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1 posted on 06/27/2002 3:43:05 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
If this goes to the Supreme Court, its gonna be hilarious (it likely will not, but oh well).

Right before they hear the case on the Pledge of Allegiance, the Justices of the Court will come out. Then, they will say the Pledge of Allegiance. Then, as has always been done before every session of the Court, the Chief Justice will say "God Save The United States and this Honourable Court." Then, it will probably take 5 minutes before they roll off a 9-0 overturning of the 9th Circuit.

I only wish I could videotape it, but they don't allow cameras in there.
2 posted on 06/27/2002 3:45:30 PM PDT by BaBaStooey
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3 posted on 06/27/2002 3:47:20 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: BaBaStooey
I am wondering if the WH announcement of a Supreme Court resignation/retirement has anything to do with this.
4 posted on 06/27/2002 3:48:53 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Democrats pointed out that it was a Republican, President Nixon, who appointed Goodwin to the appeals court in 1971.

What they fail to mention is that this particular judge was called back from retirement to fill a vacancy... which existed because the Rats are blocking GWB's nominations.

5 posted on 06/27/2002 3:49:06 PM PDT by Notforprophet
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
"America is a nation ... that values our relationship with the Almighty," Bush told reporters. "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God."

Amen!! You tell them, Mr. President!!

(Now tell the American people explicitly which U.S. Senators are blocking this very thing!) :-)

6 posted on 06/27/2002 3:49:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: BaBaStooey
LOL True! But don't you think a couple of the liberal judges will skirt tail this? To a leftist liberal this is a dream come true to divide the country.
7 posted on 06/27/2002 3:50:54 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Notforprophet
Exactly.
8 posted on 06/27/2002 3:52:00 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: BaBaStooey
If this goes to the Supreme Court, its gonna be hilarious (it likely will not, but oh well).

Can you imagine Newdow in front of Scalia, Thomas and Rehnquist?

These guys GRILLED Ted Olson.

They'd positively nuke Newdow.

9 posted on 06/27/2002 3:54:41 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
416-...3??
10 posted on 06/27/2002 3:55:59 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Carolina
"Virtually the entire Senate showed up for a morning prayer Thursday."

Hitlery was a no show I WILL BET as she cought bad winds and her broom broke down.

11 posted on 06/27/2002 4:08:24 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
bump for later

12 posted on 06/27/2002 4:12:52 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
I recall a conversation with an LA resident who claimed at that time (10 years ago) that this court is overturned more often than any other in our nation.

Sure doesn't stop them from making idiotic decisions, though.
13 posted on 06/27/2002 4:16:02 PM PDT by EODGUY
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To: Carolina
Naaaa I take that back I am sure she voted 'present.' Interesting as she does not want to 'appear' to leftist liberal as she want to run for President. Why have we not heard from the big mouth?
14 posted on 06/27/2002 4:16:42 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Hillary Pledges Allegiance to 'the America That Can Be'
Sen. Clinton reportedly prefers a version of the Pledge that acknowledges America's flaws, one that begins with the words: "I pledge allegiance to the America that can be."

15 posted on 06/27/2002 4:20:16 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: EODGUY
Yes. The article states this court is the most liberal in the U.S.

The democrats are blocking President Bush in court's judicial appointments, yet da$$hole and loserman are acting ever so--- 'we may be running in 04-presidential.'The dems were slick for adding 'Nixon appointed this judge.' They are leftist socialistically g u i l t y.

16 posted on 06/27/2002 4:22:33 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Carolina
I just ate. I don't know if I want to go to your link. OMG you are kidding...
17 posted on 06/27/2002 4:23:46 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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18 posted on 06/27/2002 4:32:25 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Keep in mind that THAT thing wants to be president, is sure she WILL be president.
19 posted on 06/27/2002 4:41:15 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Liberty Belle
Ping
20 posted on 06/27/2002 4:44:39 PM PDT by RichardsSweetRose
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