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'One Nation Under God,' By God: Congress Begins Day with Pledge
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 6/27/02 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 06/27/2002 10:28:59 AM PDT by kattracks

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Both the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives began their day Thursday by pledging allegiance to the American flag and clearly enunciating the phrase, "one nation under God." On this day, the Pledge was more than an expression of patriotism. It was also a condemnation of Wednesday's 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling.

Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd (D-W.V.) opened the Senate's session.

"The Senate will come to order with prayer to Almighty God, the Supreme Judge of the world, which will be led by the Senate chaplain, the Reverend Dr. Lloyd J. Ogilvie," Byrd said.

Ogilvie began his prayer by giving thanks for the freedom of religion guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

"We acknowledge the separation of sectarianism and state," he said, "but affirm the belief that there is no separation between God and state."

"In God we trust," the chaplain continued, invoking the official motto of the United States, and noting the historical connection between the country and the religious beliefs of its people.

"Our founders declared their trust in You, and in each stage of our development, You've guided us through peril and prosperity, peace and war."

The House similarly began its session by reciting the pledge, with many members shouting the phrase "under God." The members then broke into applause that lasted nearly two minutes. Following that, lawmakers joined hands and sang the chorus of "God Bless America.

As CNSNews.com previously reported, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Wednesday that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional.

Judge Alfred T. Goodwin wrote that the phrase "under God" is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion, and violates the so-called "establishment clause" of the First Amendment of the Constitution.

"A profession that we are a nation 'under God' is identical, for Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation 'under Jesus,' a nation 'under Vishnu,' a nation 'under Zeus,' or a nation 'under no god,' because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion," Goodwin wrote for the three-judge panel.

The clause of the First Amendment to which Goodwin referred states that, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." The panel made no reference in its ruling to the second half of the religious discussion in the amendment, which states, \ldblquote...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

The Senate, by a vote of 99 to 0, passed a resolution Wednesday afternoon expressing its support for the Pledge of Allegiance. The House is expected to take up a similar resolution sometime Thursday.

The Southeastern Legal Foundation (SLF), a public interest law firm, announced shortly after the ruling that it will file a friend of the court brief to appeal the decision.

"In 1996, the U.S. Supreme Court turned back an appeal to declare unconstitutional the nation's motto, 'In God We Trust,' and we are confident that the high court will apply the same judicial mindset to the 9th Circuit appeal," said SLF President Phil Kent.

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1 posted on 06/27/2002 10:28:59 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Wonderful! Good for Senator Byrd. Good for the Congress. This judge should be held accountable, and I am glad that their are still some members left who think this decision was bunk. Now if Byrd had only voted to convict Clinton...
2 posted on 06/27/2002 10:32:12 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
Agreed. These gestures by Byrd are cheap, to be polite about it.
3 posted on 06/27/2002 10:34:06 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Zack Nguyen
Byrd and the Democrats are running scared -- the 9th Circuit is a monster of their own making. No hoorays for them from this quarter.
4 posted on 06/27/2002 10:37:30 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Chi-townChief
Without having met him, I think that Byrd's Christian convictions are probably real. But he compromised himself in voting against Clinton's conviction. He really didn't enjoy it, as I recall, and I have always wondered if he was "helped along" by the Clinton thugs.
5 posted on 06/27/2002 10:37:40 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: browardchad
Weren't the three judges in question all appointed by a Dem?
6 posted on 06/27/2002 10:39:06 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
Not that Clinton's thugs are any excuse.
7 posted on 06/27/2002 10:39:44 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
One appointed by Nixon, one by Carter and the dissenter
was a Bush apointee
8 posted on 06/27/2002 10:45:33 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Zack Nguyen
I will never understand how an atheist can object to the word God. Atheists believe that there is no such thing as God. He doesn't exist. Therefore, to an atheist all we are pledging is "one nation, under nothing". How could they object to that? Oh well...
9 posted on 06/27/2002 10:50:34 AM PDT by Russ
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To: kattracks
Ogilvie began his prayer by giving thanks for the freedom of religion guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

So hypocritical. What about freedom of religion for those who aren't monotheistic? Apparently that doesn't matter.

"We acknowledge the separation of sectarianism and state," he said, "but affirm the belief that there is no separation between God and state."

This statement contradicts itself. God is sectarian. You cannot couple God to the state and still believe they are separate.

The pledge as a whole is not unconstitutional...the problem is that the current version does not represent all Americans equally. There are many who are not monotheistic, many who believe in a female deity, and many who believe in no diety at all. Those two little words in the pledge are unwarranted.

Say those two little words are removed....Those of you who believe in one God can still say the pledge with all your religious fervor in your heart. Those of you who don't believe in one God can finally say the pledge without being oppressed or pushed into a religious leaning.

Say those two little words are not removed....Those of you who believe in one God and that democracy is always a good thing can feel justified and that once again, you are right (whether that is true remains at issue). Those of you who don't believe in one God should be able to recite the pledge, leave out the offending words, and not be persecuted for it.

The best solution, however, is to restore the pledge to its Pre-Eisenhower condition, when it represented ALL Americans (with liberty and justice) regardless of race, creed, gender, etc.

That being said, as a good libertarian who truly believes all taxation is theft, no tax dollars should be spent on this controversy one way or the other. The pledge as a whole should not be mandatory recitation (freedom of speech (or silence in this case), anyone?), and especially the two words in question must not be required.

I am an American. I'm proud to be so. I say the pledge gladly, almost in its entirety. But I tend to resent the thing as a whole for those two little words added in religious fervor to a God who doesn't exist for me. Those two little words make the pledge contradict itself ... if it doesn't represent all Americans, it can hardly promote liberty and justice for all.

-- Angela
Black Forest, Colorado

* restore the pledge to its pre-Eisenhower state of representing ALL Americans *

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

10 posted on 06/27/2002 11:14:02 AM PDT by hinj
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11 posted on 06/27/2002 11:14:57 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: kattracks
The clause of the First Amendment to which Goodwin referred states that, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." or the free exercise thereof.

Interesting how they always leave the last part (in bold type) of that clause out.

12 posted on 06/27/2002 11:17:38 AM PDT by lideric
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To: browardchad
Byrd and the Democrats are running scared -- the 9th Circuit is a monster of their own making. No hoorays for them from this quarter.

How can that be when two of the three judges were appointed by Republicans (Nixon, Reagan)?

13 posted on 06/27/2002 11:19:20 AM PDT by A2J
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To: A2J
Wrong - Nixon and Carter appointees (Nixon was much, but not conservative). The Bush 1 appointee voted against the ruling.
14 posted on 06/27/2002 11:21:34 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: hinj
You need to be tarred and feathered. F-n idiot!
15 posted on 06/27/2002 11:22:59 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: lideric
I would say that dissent and tolerance are both things that would be beneficial for American children to learn.
If they were making children say it under threat of punishment if they refused thats another story. Id like to see the emphasis put on the last 6 words and think its important that Americans and their children recognize and push for that goal, and my value on the flag is that it represents those last 6 words and a constant struggle to maintain or perfect the implementation of them into our society and when I say the pledge that is the significance the flag holds for me. Of course its going to be relative.

Its all about tolerance and its funny we show the least under guise of "tolerance" via “PC” policy.

I don’t think we should be trying to scour and sterilize schools from anything anyone might find offensive or disagree with, better school children learn early that there are things in this world they wont agree with, people that are different than them, learn that dissent is ok as long as tolerance of other's differences is practiced and you go about it in the right way. Before this court ruling I would have rathered god not be in, now Im supportive of it and will push for it to stay because now it has become symbol of tolerance, and freedom of religion and expression ie what our country should stand for and I certainly don’t think its unconstitutional- rather that its unconstitutional that a court deemed it unconstitutional said it wasn’t allowed in schools.
I dont believe in the Christian God but I say the Pledge of Allegiance and put the value where I think its important to, and am certainly not offended that “under god” is in there, though I feel it may distract attention from what I think is important in it…not as much as this court ruling and this intolerant atheist man has though.

Long live the run on sentence!



16 posted on 06/27/2002 11:39:14 AM PDT by caustic_milk
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To: hinj
godless commie
17 posted on 06/27/2002 11:58:41 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: hinj
The pledge as a whole should not be mandatory recitation (freedom of speech (or silence in this case), anyone?), and especially the two words in question must not be required.

They are not "required" or "mandatory." The Supreme Court made that perfectly clear awhile ago. This case is about stifling the freedom of speech of those who are "willing" (as quoted from the majority opinion of the 9th Circuit issued yesterday) to say the pledge. Repeat -- the right of anyone, including the smallest schoolchild, to opt out of saying the pledge -- in its entirety, or in part -- is protected by law.

18 posted on 06/27/2002 12:25:44 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: caustic_milk
Long live the run on sentence!

Pretty neat run-on sentence, though.

19 posted on 06/27/2002 12:31:59 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: ohioman
ohioman spouted:
You need to be tarred and feathered. F-n idiot!

oh, now THAT's constructive.

*Restore the pledge to its pre-Eisenhower representation of ALL Americans!*

20 posted on 06/27/2002 1:28:34 PM PDT by hinj
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