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Pentagon talks with China on military cooperation, curtailed after spy plane collision
msnbc ^ | June 26

Posted on 06/26/2002 7:06:21 AM PDT by maui_hawaii

BEIJING, June 26 — A top Pentagon official met with Chinese army commanders Wednesday to explore resuming military exchanges, which were curtailed last year after the seizure of a U.S. spy plane.

U.S. Defense Department officials said last week that Peter Rodman, assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, would tell Chinese officials that such exchanges must be more beneficial to the United States.

Contacts have included academic conferences, exchanges of students and visits to military installations. They were limited after a Chinese fighter jet and a U.S. Navy surveillance plane collided over the South China Sea on April 1, 2001 and China detained the American crew.

Rodman met Wednesday with Vice Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing and the chief of general staff of the People's Liberation Army, Xiong Guangkai, the U.S. Embassy said in a statement.

It said Rodman was to meet Defense Minister Chi Haotian, a Chinese army general, on Thursday.

''The talks dealt candidly with problems that had arisen in the past,'' the statement said, without giving any details.

Rodman's visit wasn't intended to produce any immediate agreements and discussions were to continue, it added.

On Tuesday, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman said the two sides hoped to ''narrow their differences through contacts and dialogue based on respect, equality and reciprocity.''

However, spokesman Liu Jianchao said China and the United States had different expectations toward such exchanges due to ''different environments and views on the principles.''


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If Rumsfeld or anyone thinks they are going to get honest reciprocity they are engaged in a serious daydream.

Chinese military doctrine will not permit such a thing as allowing the Americans to see and guage what they have...

1 posted on 06/26/2002 7:06:21 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
What, exactly can we learn from the Red Chinese ?
2 posted on 06/26/2002 7:14:43 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: maui_hawaii
>>Chinese military doctrine will not permit such a thing as allowing the Americans to see and guage what they have...

Does the US military doctrine allow Chinese to see and guage what they have ?

3 posted on 06/26/2002 7:18:07 AM PDT by Lake
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
>>What, exactly can we learn from the Red Chinese ?

The Art of War.

4 posted on 06/26/2002 7:19:40 AM PDT by Lake
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To: Lake
Yep.

Thats been the biggest complaint out of Washington... we show things to the Chinese, but they don't reciprocate...

The doctrine is complex but basically based around the idea of 'preventing miscalculations'...

5 posted on 06/26/2002 7:22:03 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
We can learn about their strategies and capabilities, and intentions...
6 posted on 06/26/2002 7:23:28 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
>>The doctrine is complex but basically based around the idea of 'preventing miscalculations'...

Historically I have never seen Chinese ever underestimated the US military power. However the US underestimatd the Chinese in many occassions. You don't even know how many nuclear warheads China has.

7 posted on 06/26/2002 7:32:20 AM PDT by Lake
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; Lake
The Chinese rely on ambiguos threats and constant fear to drive their doctrine. Clarity removes much of their threat...

All war is deception...its psychological warfare.

They are not relying on defense, they are relying on offense...they want be able to attack Taiwan, and create fear and intimidation...

In reality China has a '5 minute Navy'...

8 posted on 06/26/2002 7:33:11 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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>>We can learn about their strategies and capabilities, and intentions...

Actually you don't have to go to their barracks to learn about them. History tells everything.

9 posted on 06/26/2002 7:34:15 AM PDT by Lake
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>>The Chinese rely on ambiguos threats and constant fear to drive their doctrine. Clarity removes much of their threat...

Unfortunately Chinese have been doing it for 5,000 years. You should have known the difference between the cultures of the East and West.

10 posted on 06/26/2002 7:37:52 AM PDT by Lake
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To: maui_hawaii
The Chicoms have yet to admit their pilot was an adrenilalin junkie cowboy.
11 posted on 06/26/2002 7:41:36 AM PDT by oyez
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To: Lake
unfortunately the CCP dupes the people, and they are ignorant of their own history.

With that being said, the CCP creates its own versions of things, then believes it as 'truth'...then riles the people up to nationalistic anger...

That alone, relying on half truths or lies, and not trying to understand the outside, and the beligerance makes China dangerous no matter how big the navy is...

Having more nukes just makes it worse...thats one reason why I don't believe nor like the US based panda hugging community...

12 posted on 06/26/2002 8:01:42 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Lake
Hey Hu, what's Wang Yi doing in DC?
13 posted on 06/26/2002 8:05:36 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: maui_hawaii
>>not trying to understand the outside,

That's not true. Chinese are eager to know and have exchanges with the outside world. Also Chinese learn things fast from the outside.

14 posted on 06/26/2002 8:09:36 AM PDT by Lake
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To: Lake
The Chinese probably do want to understand the outside. That's, of course, facilitated by the CCP guarding internet and press freedoms etc.:

Beijing tightening grip on press: experts
Internet cafes an 'opium' for China's youth: Beijing vice mayor
China moves to block internet portals

So why were you allowed to access FR? Guanxi?

15 posted on 06/26/2002 11:01:03 AM PDT by batter
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To: Lake
The Chinese want to take only some things from the outside. At the same time, they have this resentment towards people knowing China...

People who put a real face on 'China' and talks about China honestly, and discusses problems with candor... oh, THAT envokes anger among a lot of Chinese...

Chinese desire to know or be known by the outside is only half hearted and always has been.

16 posted on 06/26/2002 5:49:42 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
>>The Chinese want to take only some things from the outside.

Not everythng works in China, right? You may like Chinese egg rolls, but you may not like Chinese snake soup or turtle soup.

>>People who put a real face on 'China' and talks about China honestly, and discusses problems with candor... oh, THAT envokes anger among a lot of Chinese...

I believe you are welcome among Chinese if you don't talk things in a condesending, or colonialist or missionary way.

>>Chinese desire to know or be known by the outside is only half hearted and always has been.

To be eager to know the outside doesn't mean they will buy everythong from the outside. Japanese are another example.

17 posted on 06/27/2002 2:42:10 AM PDT by Lake
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>>That's, of course, facilitated by the CCP guarding internet and press freedoms etc.:

I'm totally opposed to the Internet censorship by the Chiense government.

18 posted on 06/27/2002 2:44:04 AM PDT by Lake
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