BREAKING - FBI Raiding home of Ft. Detrick researcher at this moment...

ABC Channel 2, Baltimore | June 25, 2002

[John H K]

Reported FBI is raiding (and they did use the term "raiding") the home of a Ft. Detrick researcher in connection with the Anthrax case. Didn't have any further info, just came in.

[denydenydeny]

Or Richard Jewell, more likely.

[Nogbad]

So, you're saying they send a TRUCK out when they go an look for clues?

Oh, excuse me! I forgot. You don't need any equipment when you go looking for 'clues'.
You can just wander in wearing your shirt and shorts.

[Fred Mertz]

Just FYI, ForceTen works at Fort Detrick but doesn't Freep anymore because of time and home computer problems.

When we last spoke, about 4 months ago, ForceTen had no insider info, other than standard office buzz about this anthrax stuff.

[blackdog]

Willie Green seems to be a very level headed guy. He does handle peoples strong statements that he disagrees with in a patient classy way. As you pointed out, his generous good will causes his optimistic outlook to allow him to step on his shvauntz once in a while. I'd still take him over ten of me any day.

[denydenydeny]

Simple-minded, aren't you? That's so refreshing in our too-complex world.

Nice ad-hominem, genius.

Once again, I point out that you have no evidence to support anything you've insisted is true, beyond "it will all come out, just wait."

Note that I didn't say "Islamist or other foreign terrorists aren't trying to hit us with bio-weapons." I said "this instance wasn't Arab terrorism, it was domestic terrorism meant to take advantage of the pandemonium following 9-11."

But a couple of minutes ago, you told us that people who believed that it was Islamic terrorism were "clinging."

If Al-Haznawi's skin lesion was anthrax-related--as Dr. Tsonas believes--then we have a direct link to Al-Qaeda involvement in the anthrax attacks. That's called evidence.

A van parked in front of an apartment does not constitute evidence. There were vans in front of Richard Jewell's house, too.

[denydenydeny]

Simple-minded, aren't you? That's so refreshing in our too-complex world.

Nice ad-hominem, genius.

Once again, I point out that you have no evidence to support anything you've insisted is true, beyond "it will all come out, just wait."

Note that I didn't say "Islamist or other foreign terrorists aren't trying to hit us with bio-weapons." I said "this instance wasn't Arab terrorism, it was domestic terrorism meant to take advantage of the pandemonium following 9-11."

But a couple of minutes ago, you told us that people who believed that it was Islamic terrorism were "clinging."

If Al-Haznawi's skin lesion was anthrax-related--as Dr. Tsonas believes--then we have a direct link to Al-Qaeda involvement in the anthrax attacks. That's called evidence.

A van parked in front of an apartment does not constitute evidence. There were vans in front of Richard Jewell's house, too.

[blackdog]

A self interest bump! I thought he should have stopped digging, however noble the hole was becoming.

[Dialup Llama]

This raid is totally bogus. The resident of the house volunteered for the raid to clear himself. I think this is the dude fingered by Dr. Barbara "Anthrax" Rosenberg. You can thank the Clinton crowd in the FBI for keeping their hope for a lone, white, angry, Christian bio-terrorist in play. Did I forget male?

[blackdog]

Not to butt into the love fest, but I do have a question for the two of you.

Don't you think that if Atta, Allah, Achmed, or Abdul were handling anthrax that they would have been taking preventive cipro or similar protective antibiotics , as to not get sick and draw attention to what could have otherwise been a viscious surprise anthrax attack? For this reason I feel that anthrax will be a home grown problem.

[Dialup Llama]

Because they are all dead?

[blackdog]

I think you are right. Too visible. Remember, they had a guy who they claimed to be creating a "dirty bomb" under arrest for weeks(I think months) before it was made public. And that case only turned out to be talk of a dirty bomb. They had no actual evidence of one.

Even if they found a lab worker who did it, I think they would just "drive-by" him as a message to others in the bug warfare industry and still blame it on some guy like Richard Jewel to fill the news with some confederate flags, chewing tobacco, and red necks.

[marshmallow]

Yet another false alarm. Whoever coined the term "raid" for this operation should be deducted a month's salary.

I've seen no indication that today's "raid" is part of the end game.

[Willie Green]

But many people eschew their own self-interest in the interest of ethics and/or morals.

I'd say many people decide that moral/ethical behavior is best for their own self-interest.

[blackdog]

If that is what you really think, I would ask you to think that one out again. What those did in September had to be supported by at least a hundred. The hotels, the travel, the cars, the insurance(in order to have a registered vehicle), the bank accounts, the phone bills, pagers, cell phones, e-mail accounts, utility bills, etc... You and I could never do such a thing without leaving a paper trail a mile long. That trail would give addresses, employers, tax returns, phone records, etc... It takes a sophistocated network of people(still here) to turn their years of living in the US into an amorphous mist. An even bigger bunch to make sure it implicates no others than who they choose to offer up.

[denydenydeny]

Don't you think that if Atta, Allah, Achmed, or Abdul were handling anthrax that they would have been taking preventive cipro or similar protective antibiotics , as to not get sick and draw attention to what could have otherwise been a viscious surprise anthrax attack? For this reason I feel that anthrax will be a home grown problem.

I'm glad you asked that.

In August 2001, Atta and Al-Shehhi, the two WTC pilots, went into Huber Drugs in (I think) Delray Beach, FL. Most of the attention regarding this visit has been focused on Atta's complaint of raw, chemically-burned hands.

But I have always been fascinated by Al-Shehhi's complaint during the same visit: He complained of an apparent bad chest cold, and was directed to a walk-in medical clinic next door. He returned with a prescription for an antibiotic.

This clearly indicates that the 9/11 hijackers were not on antibiotics to start with, even after Al-Haznawi's June 22 or 23 emergency-room visit. Why this was calls for speculation. I would guess that there was an accident or an early mishandling of the material; the envelopes were probably not to be touched until just before 9/11, when infection would no longer be a problem.

[blackdog]

I went to flight school in Florida. Most the students there are foreign, and most are of Middle East origin. All this wolf crying over foreigners in our flight schools is silly. They have been exclusively getting their flight training here since the late 60's. Atta going to a drug store looking for medical advise is exactly what they would be taught not to do if they were handling biohazardous material. They are dirty/smelly people who rarely wash their clothes. Getting a burning rash in Florida in August is not exactly a rare condition.

[The Great Satan]

I've seen no indication that today's "raid" is part of the end game.

According to the latest CNN report, no arrest has been made and "no one is about to be arrested." Funny how the only people who have been arrested or had their homes raided in connection with the anthrax investigation have been Pakastanis. Sort of gives the lie to the FBI-nurtured mythology of a "domestic source" for the anthrax, doesn't it? And so, the charade continues...

[blackdog]

As a matter of fact, taking Cipro and going into the sun CAUSES a rash. It is one of those antibiotics that causes nasty photosensetivity.

[The Great Satan]

BTW, a real FBI anthrax "raid" goes more like this:

The FBI agents broke down his door on Tuesday and entered his house with guns drawn, followed by members of a hazardous materials team in moon suits and gas masks. They broke the doors, smashed furniture and kept the wife of one of the victims at gunpoint for a considerable time.

But they only do that for people they think might really be guilty, of course.

[denydenydeny]

Getting a burning rash in Florida in August is not exactly a rare condition.

Weak. Atta had the rash on the palms of his hands. This is probably the last part of the body on which you'd get a heat rash. The pharmacist who was the witness to this incident specifically mentioned “palms that appeared to be reddened from a chemical burn or raw from construction work.”