Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 20

06/25/02 - Tuesday | Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 20

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developing news on the Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping.

Some people may consider today to be actually day 20, I count 1 day for each
24 hours that have passed since Elizabeth was kidnapped.

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Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 19
Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 18
Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 17
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[Utah Girl]

Do you remember the 2nd week or so of Elizabeth's abduction when the police mentioned that that they thought perhaps Elizabeth had been stalked by her abductor? They said there were signs of that, the Smarts also mentioned something like that. I wonder if that is why the SLPD is trying to nail down Ricci from May 31 to June 8 (even though Elizabeth was taken June 5.) Just a thought.

[Illbay]

Unfortunately this is a problem with which we've been wrestling as a society since it began to break down (morally) in the 1960s.

That is, we have failed to take into account the increase in violent sociopathic behavior among us, primarily stemming from the destruction of the traditional family. So, we keep giving these creeps second--even third--chances, until finally they rape, kill or maim someone so that we can put them away for a long time (or execute them).

Most violent crime--the vast majority--is committed by someone who has a criminal record of less serious, but still serious crimes.

And we wipe the slate clean when kids turn 21, pretending that they aren't still the cold-blooded, vicious monsters they have always been.

[Utah Girl]

On the local news last night, the parents of Ricci did mention that the police had been out there at the trailer house digging. His mother seemed upset because the police had dug up the steps leading into the trailer house.

[homeschool mama]

**Did 1990 Jeep Cherokees have the panel sides to them still? **

Grand Cherokees had panel sides at that time. I think it was in 90 or 91 they stopped making the Grand Cherokees.

[Utah Girl]

I was watching MSNBC this morning as I was getting ready for work. They were interviewing a former FBI profiler, she said that while Ricci doesn't appear to have any child molestation/rape/stalking charges in his background, it doesn't mean that he doesn't have the problem. He just may not have been caught. Plus, sex crimes can be committed at any time, Ricci could have just started with that type of thing. She did emphasize that Ricci doesn't seem to have a problem, but didn't rule it out either.

[Illbay]

I have a family here on earth.
They are so good to me.
I want to share my life with them though all eternity

(Chorus)
Families can be together forever
Through Heav'nly Father's plan.
I always want to be with my own family,
And the Lord has shown me how I can.
The Lord has shown me how I can.

While I am in my early years,
I'll prepare most carefully,
So I can marry in God's temple for eternity.

(Chorus)
Families can be together forever
Through Heav'nly Father's plan.
I always want to be with my own family,
And the Lord has shown me how I can.
The Lord has shown me how I can.

-- Dedicated to the Smart Family, parents and children (especially Elizabeth).

[Illbay]

Who is Geragos?

[Utah Girl]

Thanks for posting that hymn. It is one of my favorites.

[TheBigB]

"On the poly, he made have failed (remember the MEDIA is the only ones reporting he failed it). He could have failed for many reasons."

I've heard that it is actually easier for a psychopath to pass a LD test. based on the fact that a psychopath doesn't acually believe he has done anything wrong.

[Utah Girl]

Mark Geragos, scum lawyer. He was the lawyer for Susan Douglas, of impeachment infamy. He got her off, and we've had to see his mug everywhere since then. Currently, he is defending Winona Ryder in her shoplifting arrest, he maintains that the DA's office and the store targetted Winona and the charges were made up. He is a piece of work...

[Carolina]

Geragos...

Don't forget Robert Downey, Jr. and Condidit!

[GovernmentShrinker]

If I was the mother of someone with a track record like Ricci's, I'd be worrying about much bigger things than my front steps being dug up. She should be glad they didn't haul the whole trailer off to an FBI lab.

[Illbay]

The name was familiar, thanks for the reminder. And RE: The hymn: All of as need to remember thsoe words. The pains of today will melt away like the morning dew when the rays of the joy of the eternities fall upon them.

[Illbay]

I seem to recall a famous kidnap case back in the 70s, where they stashed the victim--a wealthy young woman, maybe a teenager, as I recall--in a specially-built underground "shelter", actually a coffin with a breathing tube going to the surface, and a way to put food and water down into it.

Somehow, the perps got picked up on an unrelated matter, and by the time the cops finally got around to getting some answers out of them, and found the hiding place, the girls was dead, dehydrated and starved to death.

[restornu]

Thank you I heard a little and glad you shared this with us I pray we can have all join in the the Power of Prayer along with Teacups troubles too.

[Utah Girl]

I'd forgotten about Robert Downey Jr and Gary Condit...Geragos is a scum lawyer.

[Utah Girl]

Ricci's parents were unbelievable (I believe is was his step-father and mother the reporters talked to.) They say he is a good, gentle person, who didn't abduct Elizabeth, and that she (the mom) hadn't ever seen Ricci be mean to anyone. Someone snorted audibly on camera at that remark, and she hastily amended it to that Ricci had never done anything mean to anyone in her presence. Oh, OK.

[philomath]

and also wears such a hat on a regular basis

How are the SLCDP so certain of the hat and clothing types, down to the brand in one report?? If MK saw the hat in such detail, why not the face, at least to tell whether there was a mustache?? And the hat, as noted, is not exactly SWAT gear. Wonder if some of the clothing was picked up in the house, which is why it's so familiar to MK......

[Utah Girl]

My theory is (and this is only a theory, not a fact) is that the police hynotized Mary Katherine to get details...