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Misconceptions about Ithaca library solar panels (barf alert)
Ithaca Journal ^ | Monday, June 24, 2002 | Kenny Christianson/Guest Columnist

Posted on 06/24/2002 9:52:26 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:00:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

On May 30 and 31, The Ithaca Journal published an article and editorial concerning the solar panels on the new Tompkins County Public Library.

The pieces contain many inaccuracies and misunderstandings that should be addressed for your readers.

Despite what the editorial on May 31 implies, there has been no sinister cover-up among county officials to hide solar panel data. Rather, there have been numerous difficulties in implementing the startup of the panels and in coordinating the sharing of data among the various parties. Admittedly, the first 11 months were a learning process, but the situation is improving.


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In addition to being "chairman of the Energy Committee of the Tompkins County Environmental Management Council," Christianson is:

-On The Board of Directors of the Alternatives Credit Union

-A Tutorial Instructor in Ithaca College's Office of Multicultural Affairs
-And, shockingly enough, a professor of economics at Ithaca College

Of course, Karl Marx was also an economist...

And just from reading this article, I have the feeling the author leans more towards Marx than, say, Milton Friedman:

Perhaps a mother will avoid a trip to the doctor for her child's asthma, or a grandfather will survive to see his grandchild's ball game. We cannot measure such benefits accurately, but we should not dismiss them either.

This was the point that the Journal chose to highlight as the main one out of the article. It also demonstrates the liberal mindset at work here, to wit, symbolism and intanible benefits over substance.

...the educational and economic benefits have been ignored. The learning process has enabled many individuals and groups, including NYSEG ...to gain skills in developing the application of solar power in upstate New York.

NYSEG is a private corporation. In other words, taxpayer-funded mistakes by government officials are being used as a "learning experience" for a private corporation.

The installation of the panels helped to provide local jobs in the area, increased economic activity and tax revenue, and helped to create an upstate market for solar panels.

What a load of hoary horse $#iT.

Pardon my french, but this paragraph is so blatently false that it makes Bill Clinton look positively honest.

Taking the last one (helping create an upstate market for solar panels) first, this goes back to my earlier point. A taxpayer funded entity, a library, no less, is subsidizing private corporations that otherwise, by the author's own admission, would not be successful at this time. I thought the lefties were against "corporate welfare."

Second of all, the solar panels came from Powerlight. Powerlight is a California Company (from Berkeley, no less). How did that create local jobs?

Third, how does a solar panel that supposedly consumes no resources create economic activity? If the library is saving money, they aren't paying it to anybody so how can that increase economic activity?

And as far as tax revenue goes: it is a PUBLIC library. It is a tax free entity. So it couldn't generate tax revenue, could it?

Fourth, Sept. 11 has imposed on us new imperatives. Security can be enhanced through the decentralization of electricity production. Tompkins County is a leader in this field. Our library will always have a safe and secure power supply, unless the building itself is attacked.

And so the power goes out in a library. So what?

It's a library, not a hospital, not a police station.

If the power goes out, everyone goes home. Big frickin' deal.

When people ask why "Ithaca is the City of Evil," the topic of the solar panels on the library keeps coming up. The reason being that is so perfectly demonstrates the illogical, politically correct, sanctimonious ("Fortunately, most of our county politicians have a bit more vision.") ivory-tower mindset of the far left aging hippies that run the town.

It's a cautionary tale. At the same time as people like Christianson here are bragging about how much better they are making the city, more and more businesses shutter their doors downtown.

If you don't want the whole country to be like this, make sure that you keep working to see that the conservatives win, fellow FREEPERS.

1 posted on 06/24/2002 9:52:31 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; LibKill; bentfeather; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...
Big Time city of evil bump
2 posted on 06/24/2002 9:52:56 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The array is a 148-kilowatt system, not a 197,000-kilowatt system. Originally, the system was projected to produce 196,941 kilowatt hours annually, but its capacity is only 148 kilowatts

It's good they issued this clarification. That clears it all up.

3 posted on 06/24/2002 10:00:08 AM PDT by RightWhale
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City of Evil big time bump!!!!

It's a cautionary tale. At the same time as people like Christianson here are bragging about how much better they are making the city, more and more businesses shutter their doors downtown.

Saturday, for example, The Home Dairy the last of the old businesses in "downtown?" Ithaca, closed its doors!!!

4 posted on 06/24/2002 10:03:20 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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Saturday, for example, The Home Dairy the last of the old businesses in "downtown?" Ithaca, closed its doors!!!

I was thinking of that even as I typed my post.

Downtown Ithaca is rapidly turning into nothing so much as a collection of used book stores, head shops and expensive boutiques scattered amoung closed businesses. The liberals fiddle while the lower and middle classes make their exodus.

5 posted on 06/24/2002 10:10:29 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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I see Mr. Christianson holds bachelors and masters degrees in economics from the prestigious Syracuse University.

It is impossible to read his screed with a straight face, knowing that cloud-enshrouded Ithaca New York is one of the least efficient locales for a solar panel.

His spinning, rationalizing and blizzard of non sequitors can be best read as a bureaucrat's pathetic bleat to have the trough refilled.

6 posted on 06/24/2002 10:11:04 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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I have to give the library credit for one thing. They might have put the tobacco settlement money into the stock market instead of buying these pricey panels, in which case they probably would have next to nothing to show for it, rather than the nebulous something they chose instead.
7 posted on 06/24/2002 10:12:26 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I attended Ithaca College. I was a business major. It was the biggest waste of money. I later attended the Dickinson school of Law of the Pennsylvania State University (better, except most attorneys are in bed w/ Dems.) Finnaly, I recieved an L.L.M in Banking and Finance from Fordham.

I had a professor from Dickinson call me to solicit money... I told her I burned my diploma once I got into the real world and realized we lived in a capitalist society. The last Quarterly magazine Ithaca sent me documented the Sept 11 Arab-backed terror attack. The whole piece of Sh*t issue dealt w/ the victimization of Muslims and Arabs by America's foriegn policy... they only interviewed Arab "scholars" for the issue. If the next big Arab terrorist attack were to remove Ithaca off the map they would be doing us all a favor.

8 posted on 06/24/2002 10:13:00 AM PDT by 1bigdictator
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Saturday, for example, The Home Dairy the last of the old businesses in "downtown?" Ithaca, closed its doors!!!

No way!!! I loved that place. It's been years since I've been back to Itacha, but downtown was such a unique and historic place especially the well established businesses.

By the way, back to the thread, what a lot of people don't realize is that the Fingerlakes area is notoriously overcast. Solar power has minimal advantages in that area.

9 posted on 06/24/2002 10:15:53 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Speaking of non-fossil fuel energy sources, windmills atop the high-rise dorms of IC would be quite logical, if it could be done economically. And lord knows there are enough uninhabited gusty hilltops in Tompkins County for someone to start "harvesting" the wind.

Of course, the Greens will suddenly discover heretofore unknown threats to various bird populations, and then there's the frightful "visual" pollution such towers would create.

10 posted on 06/24/2002 10:16:08 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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Did you know there's an Index of Economic Activity in Tompkins County?
11 posted on 06/24/2002 10:19:46 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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I see Mr. Christianson holds bachelors and masters degrees in economics from the prestigious Syracuse University.

And since 1983, no less. Twenty years is an awful long time to spend in academia without surpassing the rank of "instructor". I just wasted a great deal of time searching multiple scholarly databases in search of Mister Christianson's published work, to learn more about what sorts of things he finds worthy of study.

Why a waste of time? Well, would anyone be surprised to learn that I couldn't find a single paper he's authored or co-authored, despite searching more than a half a dozen archival databases, representing hundreds of different academic journals? Not so much as a letter to the editor with his name on it.

Which is kind of a surprise. There's hardly a shortage of Ph.D's these days, and it's faintly alarming that Mister Christianson was the best that Ithaca and Binghamton could do...

12 posted on 06/24/2002 10:23:36 AM PDT by general_re
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To: WellsFargo94
Fingerlakes area is notoriously overcast. Solar power has minimal advantages in that area.

Shall we call it solar challenged?

13 posted on 06/24/2002 10:30:05 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Heaven forbid that they use the tobacco settlement money for anti-smoking campaigns. What a rip-off!
14 posted on 06/24/2002 10:34:54 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Shall we call it solar challenged?

You secretly graduated from Cornell didn't you??!!

15 posted on 06/24/2002 10:35:52 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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as a collection of used book stores, head shops and expensive boutiques scattered amoung closed businesses.

Isn't that exactly what they want? A bunch of dope heads? Just for the elitist you understand? Well they are getting it aren't they?
16 posted on 06/24/2002 10:36:23 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: WellsFargo94
You secretly graduated from Cornell didn't you??!!


No way, I labored there for many a year!! :O)
17 posted on 06/24/2002 10:37:37 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: KellyAdmirer
I have to give the library credit for one thing. They might have put the tobacco settlement money into the stock market instead of buying these pricey panels, in which case they probably would have next to nothing to show for it, rather than the nebulous something they chose instead.

Or - gosh golly gee gasp - they could have bought BOOKS!

18 posted on 06/24/2002 10:39:47 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
From Jan. 1 to May 22, the share of the annual cost would be $16,295. During this time the panels only produced $5,157 in electricity, so it seems as though we're down $11,139 for the year so far. What have we gained for our money?

First of all, much (if not all) of this shortfall will be made up over the summer months.

False and misleading.

The stated period of comparison is Jan. 1 to May 22.

If one extends the comparison into the summer months to accrue additional savings to make up for the "shortfall", one must also include the "share of the annual costs" for the summer months to retain an apples to apples comparison.

It's a sad, but typical faulty analysis trying to justify the expenditure when the data doesn't support such a conclusion.

19 posted on 06/24/2002 10:45:52 AM PDT by Willie Green
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No way, I labored there for many a year!! :O)

That's good news, but can't say that I didn't...I'm reformed now though!

20 posted on 06/24/2002 12:52:25 PM PDT by WellsFargo94
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