[Dominic Harr]

Hell, this came from Microsoft's site, for you to find, instead of bashing .NET and saying that "no one" is using it.

To repeat for the 324th time, I've all seen the MS-paid for "case studies".

I've actually read almost all of those. They've done some interesting things, altho nothing revolutionary. Prototyping, building some .NET tools, some theory work, and in the most advanced cases web forms. But in none of those case studies are there any details. That stuff is all by MS 'strategic partners' and 'early adopters' -- people specifically paid to find things for .NET to do, and with MS handling the press releases, which alone makes the entire thing suspect as a sales pitch.

We're looking for a single independent example, from real world developers, of a major, large-scale production system.

Know of any first-hand?

If .NET is as successful as you say, you must know of one, I assume?

[Bush2000]

That stuff is all by MS 'strategic partners' and 'early adopters' -- people specifically paid to find things for .NET to do, and with MS handling the press releases, which alone makes the entire thing suspect as a sales pitch.

A. Of course they're partnered with MS. Did you expect them to be allied with Sun?!?

B. Where's your evidence that any of them were paid?!? Zippo. You don't have squat. Just more lame FUD from the resident Java bigot.

C. People deploying systems are too busy to spend time telling everybody about what they're using. And you're surprised by this?!?

D. You say you want independence. This is merely a euphemism for Anything-But-Microsoft.

[Bush2000]

We're looking for a single independent example, from real world developers, of a major, large-scale production system.

Word to the wise: This is a fool's gambit. Harr will insist that anybody associated with .NET is "bought and paid for". The only ones independent enough for him to trust are those who aren't using .NET.

[PatrioticAmerican]

" people specifically paid "

"Paid"? Microsoft PAYS Partners??? I want my check!