[Bush2000]

That stuff is all by MS 'strategic partners' and 'early adopters' -- people specifically paid to find things for .NET to do, and with MS handling the press releases, which alone makes the entire thing suspect as a sales pitch.

A. Of course they're partnered with MS. Did you expect them to be allied with Sun?!?

B. Where's your evidence that any of them were paid?!? Zippo. You don't have squat. Just more lame FUD from the resident Java bigot.

C. People deploying systems are too busy to spend time telling everybody about what they're using. And you're surprised by this?!?

D. You say you want independence. This is merely a euphemism for Anything-But-Microsoft.

[Dominic Harr]

Read Mr. Jeeves's post, and you'll see exactly why no one trusts the 'case studies' on MS's web page.

He billed that as a success for .NET. Upon further discussion, it turned out he could have done it better, faster and cheaper in Java, but was not allowed to "because they are an MS-only shop". And you know what an "MS-only shop" is -- one that is on one of MS's programs that rewards shops for only using MS techs, even when better solutions are out there.

They're literally having to force developers to use this stuff.

I ask one more time -- do you know of any real-world developers who have successfully deployed a large-scale production system?