It's Here...The Federal ID card

The Idaho Observer ^ | 6/21/02 | Hari Heath

[luckystarmom]

I may not get this one, but what freedoms to we give up by this?????? Can someone please let me know?

[weikel]

The whole thing with poor people starving or going without medical care without government help is BS. I mean doesn't everyone have friends and family who will help out in a desperate situation( and if you don't you are probably such an ahole you don't deserve to live).

[weikel]

Read the thread it could lead to a more efficient form of the telescreen from 1984 basically.

[glc1173@aol.com]

Smash the chip ("accidentally") with a hammer if this is enacted.

Show Washington liberals that conservatives learned the Rosa Parks lesson!

[sarasmom]

The inmates are officially running the asylum.

"Smoke 'em if you got 'em"

Note to self-much more @mmo required.

On a personal note:I was involved in a rear collision accident(I was the innocent one hit).I was almost arrested because the drivers licence NUMBER printed on my "tamper proof" card contained a clerical error and showed up as non-existant on the "state computer system".

Technology, absent common sence, is futile.

[B.R. Burton]

lol. Thanks for that. I believe that logic and believing in the Bible are not opposing forces, but totally congruent. Science and the Bible, contrary to popular belief, are not contradictory, but parallel. This misunderstanding comes from lack of understanding on BOTH sides of the isle, from the Christian community and the scientific community, most notably, on the issue of evolution vs creation. I believe the mainstream positions on both sides of this issue are wrong. My position on it is complicated, but when I first saw the solution, I was shocked. I didn't come up with it, a Jewish physicist AND Torah scholar name Gerald Schroeder did.

[weikel]

Cool. I gotta ask since you seem to be an intelligent and reasonable christian how can god be loving and send everyone who doesn't accept Christ to eternal hell( Im only interested in BR's answers). Or is this another misunderstanding? Not all non christians are bad people after all.

[B.R. Burton]

Yes, and there should be PRIVATE CHARITIES, etc., to solve legitimate concerns about lack of health care, in my opinion. Solve the problem through charities and private organizations, NOT GUBMINT

[Freebird Forever]

After seeing others link the drivers license act to digital angel, I thought I’d throw a few of my observations into the mix.

From HR 4633

(5) TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FROM GSA- For purposes of section 201(a) of the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act of 1949 (40 U.S.C. 481(a)), a State carrying out activities using amounts from a grant under this section shall be treated as an executive agency and part of the Department of Transportation when carrying out such activities. For purposes of carrying out such activities, the Secretary shall, at the request of a State, enter into an agreement for the acquisition, on behalf of the State, of any goods, services, or supplies available to the Secretary from the General Services Administration, including acquisitions from prime venders. All such acquisitions shall be undertaken through the most efficient and speedy means practicable, including through electronic ordering arrangements.

From a recent digital angel (adsxe) PR:
We chose The New York Fire Department and The U.S. Department of Transportation due to existing relationships. In fact, Norman Mineta, current Secretary of The U.S. Department of Transportation was the keynote speaker at Digital Angel’s World Launch in October of 2000 when he was Secretary of Commerce.”

Link to Mineta PR

From another digital angel PR:
Applied Digital Solutions, Inc.
(Nasdaq:ADSXE), an advanced technology development company, today announced that Frank E. Lalley, President and CEO of the company’s Computer Equity(Compec) and Government Telecommunications (GTI) subsidiaries, has been appointed to the additional position of Vice President for Government Solutions. (snip)

Mr. Lalley joined Applied Digital’s Compec subsidiary in January 2002 after a distinguished, 35-year career in the federal government. Most recently, Mr. Lalley served as Assistant Commissioner for Service Delivery in the General Services Administration’s Federal Technology Service.

Link to Frank Lalley PR

It appears that digital angel's parent company already has some well placed connections to take advantage of opportunities presented in this bill.

[Richard Kimball]

My position on it is complicated, but when I first saw the solution, I was shocked.

Gotta link? I'd be very interested in reading it.

[B.R. Burton]

"Cool. I gotta ask since you seem to be an intelligent and reasonable christian how can god be loving and send everyone who doesn't accept Christ to eternal hell( Im only interested in BR's answers). Or is this another misunderstanding? Not all non christians are bad people after all."

Excellent question. It is not so much a misunderstanding, but more of not seeing the entire picture. God isn't the one who makes the choice for the person to go to hell or not, that's up to them. This will be a bit complex, but bear with me:

- The Spiritual Realm is governed by laws. Some science almost approches this, like the Superstring theory, and other metaphysics type analysis.

- One of these laws is that sin brings death. Spiritual death, including physical death. When Adam sinned, his sin brought the curse of physical death upon all of his offspring. This curse transfers from father to child, not from mother to child. Scientifically, this could be explained that the DNA for the blood for the child comes from the sperm, not the egg. It also explains how and why the Messiah had to be born of a virgin. The fact that we are born with a curse of death does not doom us, yet, to hell, although with this curse comes a propensity to sin. God gave Adam "dominion" over the earth. Adam was King of the Earth. God told him not to eat of a certain Tree, and yet satan, tricked Eve into it, and Adam went along. So, when Adam obeyed Satan, he put himself under Satan, and transferred his authority over the earth to him. This is why the New Testament calls Satan "the god of this world." It is also why liberalism is so powerful, and evil reigns in the world. It is why people hate the United States and Israel, because they stand for truth in the world.

Back to spiritual laws:
- God cannot abide near sin - or, let me re-phrase that, sin cannot abide near God. It will be destroyed by the radiance of His Light. This is because He is totally Holy, and Just. He is obligated to punish sin just as much as a judge is obligated to punish a convicted murderer in his court. If we were to appear before God with but a smidge of a crimson stain of sin on our souls, we will be destroyed - sooner or later.
- Unfortunately, we are in a dilemma now, since you and I, Weikel, are sinners! Everyone here is a sinner. All have fallen short of God's Perfection, and He cannot abide with us. At this point, we are doomed to hell-fire.

- Yet, with all this in mind, there is a solution. If someone, who were innocent, and sinless - like Adam before he sinned, and tempted in all ways to truely represent mankind, were to be punished for sin, in our stead, then the sin-debt could indeed be paid. It is spiritually legal. Unfortunately, no man on earth could have done so, since I mentioned that the curse of sin passes from father to son. No man with a human father can pay the sin-debt, and yet the person who is to pay it, has to be totally human!

- When Man was created, He was a Reflection of the Image of God. The Image of God is the first emanation from God's Infinite Being. This Emanation is the bridge between God and Man. Since God is infinite, and we are finite, there is an infinite chasm between us. God sent forth an Emanation, His Word, which bridges this Gap. This Word is in essence identical with God, yet streams from Him to interact with Man. This Word became incarnate in flesh, born of a virgin, so that He could pay the sin debt, because He loved His creation so much, and did not want them to perish. This Word became God's "Son", as the Holy Spirit through a supernatural act, fertilized one of her eggs, into which the Word became embodied. Even before this incarnation, God's Word was referred to as "Son", even by non-Christian Jews, in ancient times. I can prove this. I have the texts.

- The Word Incarnate, Yeshua of Nazareth, who was not half-man, half-God, but 100% Man, and 100% God (the sperm that fertilized the egg was uniquely created, yet totally human, which by default had no sin-curse) was tempted in all ways and did not sin. He was slain on the cross in OUR STEAD, and yet Hell could NOT hold Him, because it had no authority over the one who had no sin - yet He paid the debt of death. Then He rose from the dead and defeated sin, and took back the Creation He gave Adam, from satan, and will return soon to claim His property.

- So, with all that said, the question should not be "how can God be loving and send non-Christians to hell", but "how can God be so loving and die for all upon the cross, all that would accept His offer of eternal life?" - The issue is not "my religion is better than yours", but rather, "Will you not accept this free gift of Life from the God of heaven?" And if the potential recipient says, "no", then how can one be saved? If they reject the One who died in their stead, they have no hope - and God has no choice, because He gave it to them to choose, because He wanted His creatures to love Him for Him, and not because they are simply robots.

Sorry for the long response, but there is so much to understand to see the whole picture, and this is but a grain of sand to it all.

[B.R. Burton]

Why, I'm glad you asked! =-)

His books are called:

The Science of God

Genesis and the Big Bang

Genesis One (for non-scientific folks, the other books are all scientific jargon)

Here are some links:
Gerald Schroeder.com
The Age of the Universe

[B.R. Burton]

Also:
Evolution [!] Bible Style

[Travis McGee]

Obviously the FedGov would prefer to chip all of its "subjects", rather than guard our borders and expell the invaders.

That does not inspire confidence. I do not look forward to where President Hitlery and Atty General Schumer will take this.

[Centurion2000]

bump ..... my God, this country is SO screwed the next time Demoncrats win a majority and Presidency ....

[Travis McGee]

Or a micro enzyme could be released which would cause instant amnesia, psychosis, paranoia, rage, etc.

Too bad we'll get 20 years in the Gulag for looking into the chip.

[Travis McGee]

_Jim counts on being among the elite who administer the program and check on the peasants, so to him it's all upside: better control of the proles.

[philman_36]

Were you actually surprised by this move?
My, my...more are catching on every day. There may be some hope left yet afterall.
This has been an ongoing issue since at least 9-11-95...
ACLU Opposes National ID System and Computer Registry

You may be late to the show, but you're seated front row center now.
national card 1995...1995 was just a random year off the top of me 'ead
It's been 'round quite some time now...This paper is an extract from a report on the Swiss PTT's Multi-Function Card Project, dated January 1993, and re-published in 'Chip-Based Payment Schemes' in September 1996
A chip-card is a standard-sized plastic card that "contains an integrated circuit or 'chip' which gives the card the ability to store and/or process data" (Walters 1992, p.18).
Snip...Trials commenced with storage-only chips in the late 1970s and with smart-cards during the early 1980s. Much of the initiative in the area has emanated from France and French companies, but Japanese and American suppliers have also been active in the area.
Things have been moving slower than anticipated apparently. Nothing like a little thesis - antithesis - synthesis to speed things along.

[Neil E. Wright]

Just say NO!!!!

Toward FREEDOM

[niki]

You forgot the government is importing muslims. State Department Blows $500,000 to Import Muslims and for more hits and laughter our Under Secretary of State wants to know how we turn 20,000 into 4 million.

And don't worry we won't offend them at the airport by searching them.