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Senate considers repealing Blue Laws
News 12 Westchester ^ | 6/20/02 | Dan Loughran

Posted on 06/20/2002 4:54:03 PM PDT by areafiftyone

ALBANY - The New York State Senate is considering a bill to change the Blue Laws.

For decades, the state's Blue Laws have been in place to prevent people from buying a drink in a bar before noon, or liquor and wine in a store, anytime, on Sunday. They were established years ago with the support of religious leaders to prevent drinking on what many consider a holy day.

A study was recently done for the liquor industry showing if New York liquor stores were open all week, 2,000 jobs would be created and an extra $70-million in taxes would be generated.

News 12 Westchester's Dan Loughran reports that lawmakers in Albany say the proposal will not be voted on right away because both sides of the issue need to be studied more.

The battle to keep liquor stores open an extra day each week has reached all the way to Albany. State Senators are talking about a plan to keep stores open on Sunday. But Not all merchants like the idea

For Decades the state's Blue Laws have been in place to prevent people from buying a drink in a bar before noon, or liquor and wine in a store, anytime, on Sunday. They were established years ago with the support of religious leaders to prevent drinking on what many consider a holy day. But how do some clergy members now feel about this latest move.

A study was recently done for the liquor industry showing if New York liquor stores were open all week, 2,000 jobs would be created and an extra $70-million in taxes would be generated.

If the legislature and governor approve it New York would be the 24th state to allow it. One merchant had this to say

"It is not necessary."

Lawmakers in Albany say the proposal will not voted on right away because both sides of the issue need to be studied more.


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1 posted on 06/20/2002 4:54:03 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
I recall the Blue Laws back in the 50's and early 60's.
They were typicly more restrictive than what remnants survive today.
In a way, it would be nice to return to those "constraints".
Sunday's were much more relaxing, and I'm sure contributed positively to the family values of the times.
2 posted on 06/20/2002 4:59:37 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
I agree, but it is not the governments job to say what days you can work or party. Why should the government be involved in this in the first place.

I'm sure the both of us have moral reasons to do things, If you don't want to buy a drink(or anything else) on Sunday, don't......

BTW Louisianna was different. Lived there in the early 80's where you could not buy hardware on Sunday, but you could by a fifth.

3 posted on 06/20/2002 5:06:10 PM PDT by Quick Shot
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To: Quick Shot; Willie Green
Good point - I live in NY, and I can buy booze on Sunday, except I have to go to a restaurant or saloon to do it, and I have to pay at least $5 a drink (not including tip). What's the point of that? What "evil" are they preventing? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the bar and restaurant lobby in Albany is more powerful than the liquor store lobby.

The South is cool - I've been to one state where one can purchase mixed drinks in a papercup to go, another where there's no "open container" law, and yet another where they have drive through liquor stores.

4 posted on 06/20/2002 5:16:54 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: areafiftyone
I am in favor of Blue Laws, but not for religious reasons. We all simply need a day to rest. If one store is open, they all must be open in order to compete. Paramus NJ still has blue laws that require stores (well, at least the mall) to be closed. It allows employees a day off, and generally changes the tone in the area.

Aditionally, if the malls ae closed we can teach our kids to drive in the parking lots!
5 posted on 06/20/2002 5:17:28 PM PDT by John Galt's cousin
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To: Quick Shot; Senator Pardek
Why should the government be involved in this in the first place.

It's a much more civilized and peaceful approach than individuals trying to implement such customs on their own.

6 posted on 06/20/2002 5:27:08 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
In NYC, the laws are basically flouted and disrespected. It has no impact on values here because, simply put, its more of a symbolic law. The liquor stores are closed, but you can still go to a regular store and buy beer. Also in the fall, the bars let people in for the afternoon football games, and usually do serve anyway. I don't see how they get 2000 more jobs or 70 million dollars added to the economy. ALot of liquor stores will still stay closed on sundays, not every place is open 7 days a week. Also, bars do just fine on sundays from 12:00 on, so this is just talk.
7 posted on 06/20/2002 5:28:00 PM PDT by Sonny M
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To: areafiftyone
We don't have this kind of blue law--after all, this IS Wisconsin--but a person cannot buy a vehicle from a dealership on a Sunday in the Dairy State. It's truly bizarre.
8 posted on 06/20/2002 5:28:53 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Sonny M
In NYC, the laws are basically flouted and disrespected. It has no impact on values here because, simply put, its more of a symbolic law. The liquor stores are closed, but you can still go to a regular store and buy beer.

Well, you certainly aren't going to have any benefit if the laws are riddled with loopholes and undermined by lax enforcement. That's a clear indication that they need to be more stringent.

9 posted on 06/20/2002 5:33:17 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
In a way, it would be nice to return to those "constraints".

Damn, Willie.  Think how many jobs are lost due
to blue laws.  By forcing Sunday closing, we
are also forcing a 14% reduction in employment.
You of all people...

10 posted on 06/20/2002 5:33:54 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Catspaw
but a person cannot buy a vehicle from a dealership on a Sunday in the Dairy State.

I've always enjoyed going to a car dealership on Sundays when the business is closed. It's a good time to do some serious "just looking" without being pestered by some pain-in-the-@$$ salesmen.
In the long run, it saves the dealership time and money as well.
They don't have to waste their time on me when I don't want to be bothered.
And when I show up when they're open Mon. thru Sat., I'm more interested in actually talking to somebody.

11 posted on 06/20/2002 5:39:24 PM PDT by Willie Green
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I live in NY, and I can buy booze on Sunday, except I have to go to a restaurant or saloon to do it,...

Same here in Indiana. Those who are close enough to the Illinois border however, just drive over there for their packaged liquor. I figure when the Indiana legislature feels strapped enough, they will change the law--after all, there is only so much they can get from we smokers.
12 posted on 06/20/2002 5:43:14 PM PDT by scholar
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To: gcruse
By forcing Sunday closing, we are also forcing a 14% reduction in employment.

Perhaps we can compensate by going to a 7-hr work-day (a 35 hr work week) for individuals.
9 hrs/day, 4 days/week (36 hours) could be another option.

13 posted on 06/20/2002 5:45:48 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green; Sonny M
It's perfectly legal to buy 50 cases of beer on Sunday in NY, but illegal to buy a $200 bottle of wine - more madness (but you can buy all the cheap wine in a bar that you want before you drive home).
14 posted on 06/20/2002 5:46:49 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Willie Green
That's very French. ;)
15 posted on 06/20/2002 5:56:11 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Quick Shot
I agree, but it is not the governments job to say what days you can work or party. Why should the government be involved in this in the first place.

Looking to the government for moral guidance is like looking to Afghanastan for fashion advise.

16 posted on 06/20/2002 5:57:30 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death
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To: Senator Pardek
It's perfectly legal to buy 50 cases of beer on Sunday in NY, but illegal to buy a $200 bottle of wine -

IMHO, it's totally irresponsible to allow one's personal supply to dwindle down to where it becomes necessary to buy this stuff on Sunday.

One should ALWAYS maintain an adequate stock to accommodate unexpected guests or visitors.
This can easily be accomplished during the week.
It is simply a lazy breech of etiquette and common courtesy to do otherwise.

17 posted on 06/20/2002 6:02:04 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: gcruse
That's very French. ;)

Gotta be competitive.
Can't let the surrender-monkeys get one-up on us!

18 posted on 06/20/2002 6:03:51 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
True, but there's some people (such as myself) who don't keep anything stronger than wine in their homes.

In 2000, both Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve fell on a Sunday. At the last minute, I got invited to a gathering in NYC to bring in the New Year - and all I had to bring down was a 1/2 full bottle of (not so vintage) red wine! (Fortunately in my case, it was a good friend, so it was kinda funny.)

19 posted on 06/20/2002 6:14:54 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
True, but there's some people (such as myself) who don't keep anything stronger than wine in their homes.

Heck, wine is stronger than beer, and much easier to keep in supply.
I gotta couple 5 liter boxes in the kitchen right now (one burgundy, one chablis -- probably a couple more stashed in the pantry) Only $7 each on sale! (Yep, comes in a box with a plastic spigot coming out the bottom, must be some kind of plastic bladder on the inside.) Of course, I also have a little wine rack with a couple dozen "normal" bottles of various types. But certainly nothing more than $15 per bottle, usually less. IMHO, the wine in that price range is plenty good, pay much more than that and you're just paying for a snooty label that most people wouldn't be able to taste the difference anyway.

The cheap jug wine isn't bad, I use it for cooking as well as an occasional drink. I only serve it to guests on very informal occasions (usually guests get my "better" bottles). But the jug wine works in a pinch if I first pour it into a fancy carafe or decanter for serving. No problemo.

20 posted on 06/20/2002 6:53:41 PM PDT by Willie Green
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