Posted on 06/20/2002 3:12:06 AM PDT by B.R. Burton
Here are some excepts of a message, I wrote to a friend in Israel (edited):
The US need not restrain Israel anymore. Unleash the fury upon terror. Build the wall, expell all Palestinians from Jewish controlled lands, and disengage from them. I believe the IDF needs to [make Arafat disappear], and install an agreeable peace partner - Truth Propaganda would then be open, and flood the Palestinians to change their deluded minds, and hope to free their souls from the slavery of hate and fanaticism - it seems this would be the only way. Of course, this is pure idealism - and most likely unattainable . . .
[In truth t]here is no hope for peace in man. It will come from above. Mark these words, they are grim, but true: There will be no peace, until the Messiah comes. The nations will come against Israel, yet will be destroyed from the Messiah who will come on the clouds of heaven, Anani, as it is written in the Scriptures and confirmed in the Oral Torah. Fear not, Israel will not be destroyed, nor scattered again. She will flee to the wilderness for a time, most likely to Petra, where she will be safe, until the Time for the King to appear. This is my belief.
It is interesting to hear a number, related by the press, for the peace process, a number of 3 years, so says MSNBC today. For Christians like myself, this number is significant, for we believe there will be some type of covenant made for 3 and 1/2 years, before the covenant is broken, and the anti-Messiah, in Jewish tradition, Armilus, will proclaim himself god and blaspheme the Lord in His Temple (which will be rebuilt within the three years, possibly), like his predecessor Antiochus Epiphanes before him. The Messiah will cast him into the Lake of fire, as the priest casts the goat off of the cliff, on Yom Kippur.
Regarding the terrorists . . .
I once thought that the word "cowardice", when applied to terrorists by Clinton, Bush and others, somehow didn't sit right, as some in America have often said, "Cowards? These people are not cowards. Cowards do not fly planes into buildings, to their own death." And as offensive as it was that someone would in any way extol the status of a terrorist, it seemed that there was some truth behind what they said, however, it could not be true. I thought about this.
Cowards they are indeed. Cowards would target innocent men, women and children, in pizza parlors, at work, at play, at leisure. If they were truely brave, truely "martyrs", they would gather their forces, go to the valley near Har-Megiddo, and meet the IDF there. They would meet the US army on the fields of Afghanistan, instead of running into hiding, into Pakistan, or Iran. They would challenge the militaries of nations, and if they died, they would be worthy "martyrs" of their cause, no matter how wrong and evil. But they, in their wickedness, target children, women and men. They are murderers, not martyrs. It is not gutsy to conduct a suicide mission. It is nuts. There is a difference between bravery and lunacy.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Clinton?
The Messiah may be a jurisdiction, but certainly not a definition nor an identity. We just cannot trap ourselves in such worships that are wrong, for only G_d's Will will have to be followed.
Any represntation of God may be allowable, but calling a representation of God sinless and exact is blasphemy, whether done in picture, written or any other modeling media or style. Hence, more important than the "vision" is the understanding of the humility of the vision itself, whether it submits to scrutiny.
For example, though many Jews consider praying Jesus to be an idolatrous error, they may be wrong. Though Christians believe praying Jesus is fine, they may be wrong. Some Christians are indeed wrong to pray to a definition of Jesus instead of the jurisdiction. More precisely, Jews believe in a jealous God, a God jealous for His own sake and forbidden image on Earth. This jealousy is very well represented in the New testament with God jealous for His Son. This is what I believe few understand: the jurisdictional interaction between a father and his son (past vs future, leader vs. learner) must be modeled according to the perfect jurisdictional interaction between God and His Son, or God and His own image in Judaism, or, rather the jurisdiction of His image as delineated between the two cherubs of the Tabernacle. Chrisitans too should pay attention to the jurisdiction of Jesus in their souls more so than the idea they make themselves of Jesus.
What needs to be sought is not the person nor the definition, but maybe the jurisdiction and the maintenance of such jurisdiction and interactions between jurisdictions.
People often rationalize the existence of God through the complexity of the universe. I say if we cannot see nor define God's existence by/through definition, why not "see" this existence by/through jurisdiction. In effect, isn't following such model what pushes one to respect the neighbor's holy jurisdiction, vectors to creations of institutions of men that do seek effectively universal perfection?
Some contest that jurisdiction is not a Biblical term. Jurisdiction is however mentioned in the NT and is also called dominion in Genesis. Then they say jurisdiction is not of God, but of man. But then I tell them that if it is of man and not of God, why do they employ jurisdiction to establish their own form of holiness? If jurisdiction was from hell, then why do they take it upon themselves to carry the very hellish jurisdictions that would make them in fact say insanities and worship the devil? It cannot be. Jurisdiction is clearly of God and borrowed by man from God. Man exists not by definition, not because he thinks, but by jurisdiction, because he does, interacts and is inherently.
I believe we live in a Messianic age, and though it always has been true, this time the mass mediation of definitions submits people accross the world to a challenge: worships the images or worship God. Since the former is an error that you will have to reject in the end lest you die, you have no choice but to worship God. The way people are worshiping a self-worshiping Palestinian state and Arafat accross the world tells of a world deeply seeking to be satisfied with that wish. It is taking tyrannical proportions. Mind you, I do not reject the existence of an already existing Christian/Muslim arab jurisdiction in Israel, I reject the definitions people make of these, because they worship more those definitions than they care to make holy the jurisdictions of people, than they care to condemn the testing of jurisdictions caused by terrorism and self-worship.
An "israeli" Federation transcending the Israeli and the arab definition states is called for there, but in jurisdictional terms. Two identities, two states, living side by side is a cruel recipe for disaster. The Israelies do not self-worship their democracy, and Jews, contary to what people think, do not go to jerusalem to occupy it, but go there to stop occupying other nations as a diaspora, to limit their own jurisdictions for sake of other nations' jurisdictions. It is the only place there Jews can avoid this sin of not being in Jerusalem, serving God's jurisdiction, and not their own, nor images, nor other states.
The Seventy "Sevens"
20 While I was speaking and praying, confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel and making my request to the Lord my God for his holy hill- 21 while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. 22 He instructed me and said to me, "Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding. 23 As soon as you began to pray, an answer was given, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the message and understand the vision:
24 "Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.
25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.
9:27 Or And one who causes desolation will come upon the pinnacle of the abominable temple , until the end that is decreed is poured out on the desolated city
The Holy Hill of God, The Temple Mount, verse 20.
Seventy weeks, then Gabriel divides the weeks into 62 and 7.
And divide is perfect, as the flow of the vision reveals two separate time frames.
Restore, build Jerusalem
62, and 7 weeks
Messiah, the prince (ruler)
wall, trench
Yeshua's ministry ran for 3.5 years and in the middle of the 'week' he put an end to the sacrifice and oblation with his own. "It is finished."
John 19:30
Three and a half
Revelation 11:2 and 13:5
11:2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.
13:5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months.
...and 42 months equal 3.5 years...
...or, a time, times and half a time...
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Daniel 12:7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed."
Revelation 12:14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.
The 3.5 years of 'peace' were Yeshua's ministry, (after the 62 weeks Messiah will be cut off) soon will come the 'rulers' 3.5 years of rule.
I would ask AmericaUnited (or anyone!) to find seven years that apply to the anti-Messiah but it's not there! (he asks the wrong questions)
Search the scriptures! Acts 17:11
Daniel is not the only prophet and you need two witnesses to establish anything!
Line upon Line
Isaiah 28:10
Daniel was one of the sharpest knives in the drawer and Gabriel...
And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, "O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand.
Daniel 9:22
The disciples walked with Yeshua...
And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
Luke 24:45
GET UNDERSTANDING!
MISHLE (Proverbs), pick a chapter.
And I really don't expect to relate understanding to you, but someone reading this is going to pick it up and run with it!
Don't worry, there's hope. Just read YA'AQOB 1:5!
...and if you think the 'he' isn't Yeshua, make your case...
One more question to you. What is the "covenant with many" above ? Please answer very simply and concisely.
I can't help but think your entire treatise on "jurisdiction" came from a pin-headed professor at some liberal theology school.
My comments are directed to Lavaroise.
What in the world does your rendition of "Jurisdiction" have to do with a Personal Relationship with The Living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
You sir or madam sound like a frustrated LAWYER talking in Circles!
Do You actually believe your own circular talk?
A Bible Scholar You are Not.
Here is exactly what The Ruach HaKodesh/The Holy Spirit of God has to say concerning HIS Holy and Anointed One -
The Lord Yeshua HaMoshiach/Jesus The Christ:
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many False Prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the Flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus Christ is not from God. This is the spirit of antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world" (1 John 4:1-3, NIV).
Also...
"Who is the Liar?
It is the man who denies that Jesus is The Christ.
Such a man is the antichrist -- he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also"
(1 John 2:22-23, NIV).
And Finally Ruach HaKodesh speaks of the End Times and False Teachers and those who will Follow them:
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires/flesh, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from The Truth and turn aside to myths"
(2 Timothy 4:3-4, NIV).
I Stand Firmly On The Holy Word Of God.
HE has ALL Authority and Jurisdiction...for HE IS GOD,
Creator Of The Universe and Worthy To Be Praised!
"Yeshua/Jesus answered, 'I AM The Way and The TRUTH and The Life. No one comes to the Father except through me'"
(John 14:6, NIV).
THe end result is that those theologies call sinless the definitions concocted by sinful people. That sir, is asking for tyranny and selfworship by those who concocted those definitions.
THe jurisdictional approach is much better in that it considers definitions and institutions of man sinful while acknowledging only as sinless God's jurisdiction. Therefore a balance of power between, say, an individual and the state must be maintained, as well as the ability of the individual to influence and investigate the potential crimes of the state and vice versa.
Pin headed liberal school? Hardly. Liberals are much more into socialist hypocritical mandate from their own jurisdictions than they are for criticism of their jurisdictions. This criticism is necessary in deference for the existence of God by jurisdiction, for ours is sinful, His sinless.
I do not know what is hard to understand here.
You deny the Son because you seek to define the undefinable Son. You also seek to define what is denying the son and what is not denying the Son.
I on the other hand can only seek to accept Him by carefuly submiting to His sinless jurisdiction over me: by forbiding myself from mandating to others what Christ meant and by forbiding others from calling their interpretations of Christ sinless. IT is this jurisdictional tact with my brethen that make God and my neighbors subjects as opposed to defined objects.
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