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Immigration chief willing to consider revising proposed rule restricting stays of foreign visitors
Associated Press ^ | 6-19-02 | SUZANNE GAMBOA

Posted on 06/19/2002 1:19:18 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:24 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON (AP) --

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: foreign; immigration; ins; terrorism; travelindustry
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1 posted on 06/19/2002 1:19:18 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Ah, what's the loss of a few buildings and a few thousand citizens when compared with tourist dollars? < /insanity >
2 posted on 06/19/2002 1:21:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne; Oldeconomybuyer
But opponents of the proposal, including the president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, said the proposal will hurt the tourism businesses by placing an unencumberable burden on tourists wishing to stay six months or more.

WTF??? Who can’t finish a tourist stay in six months unless they’re planning on undertaking something really, really big. Like say, flight school (no student visa required) and hijacking a plane and plowing it into a large building.

This type of idiocy from the INS just goes to reaffirm my belief that NO tourist or student visas should be issued until the INS is overhauled to the point where it no longer resembles it’s current form whatsoever.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

3 posted on 06/19/2002 1:34:18 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; DoughtyOne
IMO this rule would not effect the tourism businesses.

90% of all tourists have return tickets and they would be allowed to stay for that period of time.

The other 10% don't and can easily tell the Inspector the length then intend to stay.

The number of tourist that actually request or stay 6 months is so small, they would have no impact on the tourism businesses, and would be allowed to stay once they explained them selves to the Inspector.

4 posted on 06/19/2002 1:35:21 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
Great point!
5 posted on 06/19/2002 1:36:55 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Thank you.
6 posted on 06/19/2002 1:38:04 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Owl_Eagle
I may be wrong, but it's my opinion that there's nothing wrong with the INS that new leadership and a strong directive wouldn't help a whole lot. I still don't think our leaders get it! Until they do, all the suffling in the world won't fix things.
7 posted on 06/19/2002 1:43:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Will someone please inform Mr. Jeb Bush that the United States is presently at war with an adversary that deploys its forces through the INS facilities.

Florida, in fact, seems to be a favorite destination for the terrorists.

What will be the condition of the Florida tourist industry if the invaders set off a 9/11 event in Florida? It's time to protect our borders.

Even after the President has declared war on terrorism, it seems that politicians are still only concerned about their reelections and businesses are still only concerned about their bottom lines.

And by the way, it's time to become self-sufficient in oil production. Let's drill (hundreds of miles) off shore.

8 posted on 06/19/2002 1:43:21 PM PDT by map
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To: Marine Inspector
Yes, good point. Tourists don't stick around for six months.
9 posted on 06/19/2002 1:44:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne; Marine Inspector
it's my opinion that there's nothing wrong with the INS that new leadership and a strong directive wouldn't help a whole lot

Oh, don’t get me wrong. My issue isn’t with the front line Inspectors, it’s definitely with the idiots at the top like Ziggy.

I know the frustration of working for a complete idiot, but imagination fails me when I try to comprehend what it must be like to be charged with defending our borders, to take direction from a P.C. morons like Ziggy and the rest of the INS leadership.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

10 posted on 06/19/2002 1:50:09 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I see no reason to hope the administration will do anything other than continue to bomb far-away countries. Until they stop all visitors from terrorists countries from China to Iran until this war is won, there is no point in small stuff like this proposal.
11 posted on 06/19/2002 1:50:56 PM PDT by baxter999
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To: Owl_Eagle
I agree with that. Take care.
12 posted on 06/19/2002 1:52:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Geez, we spar again...

I may be wrong, but it's my opinion that there's nothing wrong with the INS that new leadership and a strong directive wouldn't help a whole lot. I still don't think our leaders get it! Until they do, all the suffling in the world won't fix things.

This proposal is a step in the right direction and "our leaders", aka the Bush Administration, support it as well as the proposal to fingerprint all suspicious visitors or visitors from countries on the terror list. This is not mere shuffling, as in moving departments under HLS, it looks to me like they may be trying to get their act together after all. BTW, Jeb Bush has no say on Federal matters, I don't know why they even bothered to ask him about it.

13 posted on 06/19/2002 1:55:48 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Owl_Eagle
Jeb Bush has no say in Federal matters, so I really would not worry about him running off at the mouth.
14 posted on 06/19/2002 1:59:37 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Owl_Eagle
I don't quite understand why people are bashing the Administration and "Ziggy", as you call him, in particular. Both of them support this proposal as the article clearly states. Now, I agree Jeb Bush should be bashed for his comments...but then again, he has no say in Federal matters.
15 posted on 06/19/2002 2:07:15 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Owl_Eagle
P.S. How much you wanna bet it was the Dems that are demanding the hearing to try to quash this proposal?
16 posted on 06/19/2002 2:09:37 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: DoughtyOne; All
FYI...from another thread just posted:

Which brings us to Attorney General John Ashcroft's proposal for a system that would fingerprint and photograph perhaps 100,000 incoming visitors and another 100,000 foreigners already in the country who fit the profile of potential terrorists. This information will be matched against the federal database of known terrorists or criminals, and the individuals detained if there is a match. Mr. Ashcroft reports that under the pilot program begun last fall, some 1,400 wanted criminals have been arrested attempting to enter the country.

The attorney general's idea is a sound one, and under the Enhanced Border Security Act, which Mr. Bush signed in May this system should be rapidly expanded to include biometric identification for all foreign visitors. The more checking we do, the safer our country will be.

FR Thread

17 posted on 06/19/2002 2:50:33 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: DoughtyOne
Geez, how strange...no posts for almost an hour once I hit the thread...hmmmmmm...is it my breath? LOL!
18 posted on 06/19/2002 2:53:52 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Owl_Eagle
It makes for an interesting work day.

LOL.

19 posted on 06/19/2002 3:21:56 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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"Which brings us to Attorney General John Ashcroft's proposal for a system that would fingerprint and photograph perhaps 100,000 incoming visitors and another 100,000 foreigners already in the country who fit the profile of potential terrorists."

Why bother? It would be so much easier just to ban people from the "terrorist" countries from visting the United States. No more "tourists", "business people", "students" etc. from countries like Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon etc.. And shut down their embassies too. I damn sick and tired of seeing their faces on the news programs defending homocide bombers.

20 posted on 06/19/2002 3:34:23 PM PDT by StormEye
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