[Kerberos]

""Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." The problem with this advice is that it is well over two centuries old, and no one back then could have imagined the dangers we face today."

Like we didn't face some of these problems in the War of 1812, the French Indian War, the Mexican American War, WWII.

I think I'll stick with Franklin.

[ICE-FLYER]

I think I'll stick with Franklin.

I am with you on this. After all, around the founding it would have been much much easier to commit crime or terror. No real safeguards in place. Heck it was not too long ago you were able to knock on the door of the White House. Interesting that they say there is more danger now, there really is not, it is just more quickly transmitted to the masses that it has happened. I am sure President Lincoln would agree that he experienced terror as did others back then. Their life expectancy was very very low and anyone could have a gun. I say it is the same, just made more sensational.

[GingisK]

I think I'll stick with Franklin

Roger that, any day of the week! The problem is that the knuckleheads vote, and are in the majority. The Republic is almost dead now. As Claire Wolfe said, we're in that awkward stage.

[Texasforever]

think I'll stick with Franklin.

Would you stick with Frankin on this?

There never was a good war or a bad peace
Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790