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Hitting a Sour Note: Student out after opposing song medley
Newsday ^ | 6/19/02 | Rita Ciolli

Posted on 06/19/2002 8:05:06 AM PDT by Orual

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:40 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

When Megan Gaffey got her school ring last month, she said she took it as a sign that she belonged at Kellenberg Memorial High School. Yesterday, the honor student was officially told not to come back to the private Catholic school for her senior year after she refused to sing a medley of songs that she and her family consider blasphemous.


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1 posted on 06/19/2002 8:05:07 AM PDT by Orual
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To: Orual
Cuius regio, eius religio.

You don't like it, start your own 'regio'.
2 posted on 06/19/2002 8:09:10 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Orual
Its a Catholic High School, the girl is not Catholic. The school is not public funded, end of story

I noticed that she was homeschooled for a while. There is no way she will attend Amityville HS. It is the total oppposite of Kellenberg and she will stick out like a sore thumb.

Frankly I like Jesus Christ Superstar and can see some people finding it way off the mark but its just a musical.

3 posted on 06/19/2002 8:14:29 AM PDT by alisasny
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To: Orual
Choices have consequences. In a free society, freedom of association is basic.
4 posted on 06/19/2002 8:15:01 AM PDT by Lysander
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To: Orual
I guess I've never understood this one. How is portraying Mary Magdalene as being in love with Christ blasphemous? He was a perfect man and therefore undoubtedly highly attractive to any normal woman.

Now if the opera had portrayed Christ as being in love with her, the argument would have made more sense.

5 posted on 06/19/2002 8:23:40 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: Orual
Quit your whining and go start your own school where nobody has any fun. It's a damn chorus. Sing and have fun.
6 posted on 06/19/2002 8:26:56 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: proxy_user
...Gaffey, a member of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Franklin Square, said the medley was offensive and unfaithful to the Gospels.

You don't like it, start your own 'regio'.

I don't suppose it matters that "Jesus Christ, Superstar" IS blasphemous and unfaithful to the Gospels? It is the pop-culture pseudo-Catholics who have started their own religion.

Show me in Catholic doctrine where Jesus slept with Mary Magdalene as JCSS implies?

7 posted on 06/19/2002 8:30:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Show me in Catholic doctrine where Jesus slept with Mary Magdalene as JCSS implies?

Show me where Herod sings 'prove to me that you're no fool/walk across my swimming pool'. Don't go looking for 100% accuracy in movies, books, or TV. You have to have some suspension of disbelief DURING the performance and then do the analytical stuff later. Wondering if Judas as a tenor during a show lessons your enjoyment.

8 posted on 06/19/2002 8:37:04 AM PDT by pikachu
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Show me in Catholic doctrine where Jesus slept with Mary Magdalene as JCSS implies?

Show me where "Superstar" implies that. "I Don't Know How to Love Him" is Mary's song about how she should treat Jesus. I had the album right after it came out (London Cast Recording) and I've seen the stage show. I didn't get that implication. I can't recall if the movie gives that impression or not.

I'm not out to defend Jesus Christ Superstar but I don't recall that "implication." Perhaps you are remembering The Last Temptation of Christ where "Jesus" fantasizes about marrying Mary and having a family (BTW, I've not seen that one).

9 posted on 06/19/2002 8:44:08 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
True, but they own the buildings and pay the faculty. If they want to believe ridiculous stuff like this, and turn their religion into a musical comedy, they are free to do so.
10 posted on 06/19/2002 8:45:10 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Orual
The school can do what they want. It is their doctrine. The girl did show some guts though. I wouldn't have sang the song either but I would have expected to be kicked out, after all the other problems especially.
11 posted on 06/19/2002 8:50:17 AM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Show me in Catholic doctrine where Jesus slept with Mary Magdalene as JCSS implies?

WHAT?? I've seen the movie many times, never got that impression.
12 posted on 06/19/2002 9:00:27 AM PDT by Nathan Jr.
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To: alisasny
"Its a Catholic High School, the girl is not Catholic. The school is not public funded, end of story."

The girl may not be Catholic but she is certainly a better Christian than the modernist scum in charge of the school. By any conservative understanding of religious art, Jesus Christ Superstar is blasphemous, and it has no place whatsoever in a Catholic school.

A line must be drawn between the sacred and the profane. This is something that the school administrators are unwilling to do, but they merely follow the lead given by the degenerate episcopate of AmChurch during the past forty years.

Staging Superstar which is as insipid as it is irreverent, is a good preparation to accustom the Catholic youngsters to hearing the same crap at Mass. Yes, Magdaleine's little ditty "I don't know how to love Him" has been used at AmChurch liturgies since the interpreters of V-2 decided that rock-n-roll was superior to plainchant.

13 posted on 06/19/2002 9:02:27 AM PDT by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: Orual
"...The school, founded by the Marist Brothers, is 98 percent Catholic and all students must be Christian. Several years ago a student who converted to Islam was asked to leave, Hoagland said..."

While the argument at the heart of this story has valid points to be made by both sides, the rejection of the moslem described above is a gloriously positive one.

Whatever I might think of the music of JCSS, I would NOT want to be paying tuition to a private school that allowed a demon-worshipper to attend it.

We may -for the time being at least- have to tolerate a moslem in a public school. Thank goodness that we don't have to tolerate them in a private school.

It's a waste of time to educate them anyway...

It's increasingly obvious that they are as impervious to reason as they are to decency.

How much geometry do they need to know to strap on a bomb and walk into a crowded bus or store?

When you're scrubbing their splattered brains off the wall does the part that knew about diagramming a sentence come off any easier?

14 posted on 06/19/2002 9:10:14 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: Corin Stormhands; Nathan Jr.
I never saw JCSS so I just inferred something from that stupid song, but I can assure you that the story does not conform to orthodox Roman Catholic dogma. I was around in the late 60's when it came out, and lots of people had lots of objections to it. Nowadays everybody is into New Wave pick-and-choose the things you want to believe, there is no such thing as absolute truth, only how you feel, etc., etc., etc. My wife thinks she is a Catholic, but she reads Tarot cards and thinks there is no contradiction. Go figure.

I guess the point you are making is that if a Catholic school chooses to teach heresy, they have the right because they paid for it.

All righty, then.

15 posted on 06/19/2002 9:12:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Orual
I think the real lesson here has to do with the fact that choices have consequences, and that parents' choices can hurt their children.

Megan's parents decided that she would go to a Catholic school despite the fact that they were opposed to Catholic teachings. They obviously have strongly-held and strongly-expressed opinions, and like most kids her age, Megan shares and expresses those opinions. I have no doubt that she was "difficult in class."

And so both Megan's parents and the Marists at the school are faced with a problem -- what to do about a girl whose attitudes run toward working against the very things the school is trying to teach.

I place the blame on the parents for this one. They not only put their daughter in a school where she was bound to disagree with the the religious principles being taught; and they also transferred their own stiff-necked apprach to life to their child.

16 posted on 06/19/2002 9:14:01 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I guess the point you are making is that if a Catholic school chooses to teach heresy, they have the right because they paid for it.

The only point I was making is that there is no implication that Jesus sleeps with Mary in Jesus Christ Superstar.

17 posted on 06/19/2002 10:04:02 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
The only point I was making is that there is no implication that Jesus sleeps with Mary in Jesus Christ Superstar.

It comes as close as the times would allow. "I Don't Know How to Love Him" is not a song about platonic love. Unrequited maybe, but definitely not platonic.

18 posted on 06/19/2002 10:12:54 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"I Don't Know How to Love Him" is not a song about platonic love.

No, it's the song of a woman who never really knew what real love is, who didn't know how to respond to the love from the Messiah. It's actually a very honest song of a woman saying "He treats me differently than everyone else. I don't know how to respond to Him..."

I think it's very believable that Mary (the Mary in JCS is a combination of characters) would have had some of those thoughts. But, the thoughts are Mary's and not those of Jesus.

19 posted on 06/19/2002 10:17:31 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I think it's very believable that Mary (the Mary in JCS is a combination of characters) would have had some of those thoughts. But, the thoughts are Mary's and not those of Jesus.

Maybe so, maybe not. Still feels like do-it-yourself theology to me.

20 posted on 06/19/2002 11:32:45 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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