Is the tide turning our way? (ICC)

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[madfly]

Is the tide turning our way?

	June 18, 2002 Is the tide turning our way? On April 11, 2002, the International Criminal Court (ICC) became a reality. On that same day, 19 members of the U.S. House introduced legislation (H.R. 4169 -- The American Servicemember and Citizen Protection Act of 2002) to protect American citizens both military and civilian from the clutches of the ICC.  As of today, H.R. 4169 has 39 cosponsors.  On May 6, 2002, President Bush officially renounced America's signature to the International Criminal Court treaty.  Three days later, 14 members of the U.S. House introduced legislation (H. Res. 416) commending President Bush for his decision.  As of today, H. Res. 416 has 39 cosponsors.  On June 13, 2002, Australian Prime Minister John Howard stated he is reconsidering his support for the International Criminal Court.  According to an Australian news service today, a member of the Australian Parliament Bronwyn Bishop said most members of the Australian Parliament are opposed to the ICC. "Mrs. Bishop said the ICC's arrangements amounted to a surrender of Australian's sovereignty." It was also reported today by the overseas press that Israel will NOT ratify the International Criminal Court treaty. Is the tide turning against the United Nations' long-held dream of a world court? The International Criminal Court will be open for business on July 1, 2002.  We need to tell the ICC that we are not buying what they are selling. Urge your representative to commend President Bush's decision against the ICC. http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/bills/?bill=155543 Urge your representative to protect Americans from the ICC. http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/bills/?bill=133607 The Liberty Committee

[11B3]

And while you're at it, how about telling all of your Congresscritters and the President that it's high time to get rid of the UN - once and for all. That would be one of the most important steps in winning the War on Terrorism, by getting rid of their (the terrorists) political backing, or at least removing whatever amount of legitimacy the UN conveys to them. If some other country wants to have the UN on their soil, fine. If some other country wants to step up to the plate and replace our funding for this monstrosity, even better.

We need to make dumping the UN a campaign issue.

[Carolina]

May it die an ignoble death! And soon.

[madfly]

ping!

[nravoter]

And while you're at it, how about telling all of your Congresscritters and the President that it's high time to get rid of the UN - once and for all.

I'm with you 101%, brother, but I don't think the average, content citizen on the street out there will ever get it. They see the UN as a nice little group of idealists who just want to feed the children, make the world safe, blah, blah, blah.

More to the point, although I'm glad to see individual suceesses like the Bolton memo saying we're not going to be in on the ICC, I don't think any Republican or Democrat President or majority in Congress will ever take the necessary step of walking out on the UN. It pains me to say that as someone who's been registered Republican my whole life, but who is getting fed up w/ the lack of resolve in most of our "main stream" politicians.

[NC_Libertarian]

We need to make dumping the UN a campaign issue.

That would be worth voteing Republican. However, I doubt it will happen.

[Honorary Serb]

It's also time to STOP funding the International Criminal "Tribunal" for the "Former Yugoslavia" (ICTY). You can read about their FARCICAL Stalin-like show trial of Slobodan Milosevic right here on FR, including one post today! If the US/NATO stops funding it, the "court" dies a quick death!!!!

The ICTY is the model for the ICC, so expect more neo-Stalinist outrages to anything resembling fair judicial procedures when the ICC "tries" its first "cases". Both the ICTY and the ICC are largely the work of the Egyptian "American" muslim fifth columnist Cherif Bassiouni, who was GLOATING when the ICC reached the necessary 60 nations ot ratify it. Bassiouni is a supporter of "enlightened" muslim fundamentalism, and believes that islamic sharia law is "perfect".

Bassiouni was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize last year. Let's give him a booby prize for humaniterrorism instead, and sink both the ICTY and the ICC!!!!

[FireWall]

BUMP!!!

[Right_in_Virginia]

"Also, I loved the way President Bush said "no dice" and is holding firm against any global tax authority, and also the kooky Kyoto treaty."

Not only has the President said "no dice"...he crossed out Clinton's signature. Gotta love that.

[madfly]

...crossed out Clinton's signature.

Would you happen to have a link for that document? I hadn't heard that. I have a print out of the letter that was sent to beg off of this court, and it is a very shabby and weak document, with a smeared letterhead.

[leftiesareloonie]

Getting rid of the UN always has been and still is a crazy idea. Sure, the UN sometimes is a pain in the ass. But on balance, it's a worthwhile organization. As long as we have veto power on the security council, the UN can do anything utterly foolhardy. The UN was quite helpful during the Gulf War, for example.

Sure the General Assembly is dominated by a kind of international rabble of failed nations. But the general assembly doesn't have any real power. Better that the rabble have the general assembly to let off steam in, then America become known as the country that did in the UN. I know some Freepers think of the UN as a step toward world-government or something , which would indeed be horrible. But in reality, the UN when it really matters often does exactly what we want it to do.

So no, don't get rid of the UN.

[DTA]

>>>>>The ICTY is the model for the ICC, so expect more neo-Stalinist outrages to anything resembling fair judicial procedures when the ICC "tries" its first "cases<<<<<

ICTY has audacity to contemplate subpoena for Wasington post journalist on grounds of getting more information. At the same time ICTY did nothing with available information to dismantle Osama Bin Laden's terrorist network in Bosnia,

The goal of ICTY is to undermaine western concept of jurisprudence and make way for ICC.

[Free the USA]

Bump list

[DoughtyOne]

While I applaud Bush's withdrawel of that signature, I still maintain that if he had done so a year earlier, the ICC might not have been ratified. Now one of our allies is rethinking. I am sure they and others would never have signed on if we had acted when we should have.

[DoughtyOne]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. The UN takes our money and furthers socialist goals around the planet with them. Ah, what part of this escapes you? The UN has declared war on your nation. They wish to userp our self-determination. What do you think the ICC is all about? Where do you think destructive NGOs get their directives? Where do you think the NEA and the DOE get much of their evil plans for our schools? Does UNESCO ring any bells? The more you learn about the UN, the more appearant it becomes that it is an evil organization. It praises Arafat and condemns Israel. It condemns the US and remains silent on African nations that still have slavery and are killing white farmers. The UN is as f'd up an organization as there could be. Good? Give me a break.