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Farmers Oppose Call to Idle Land
The LA Times ^ | 17 June, 2002 | TONY PERRY

Posted on 06/17/2002 6:00:55 PM PDT by brityank

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:40 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Agriculture: Tempers flare in Imperial Valley as a U.S. deadline nears to cut use of Colorado River water. "Fallowing is a four-letter word," a grower says.

WESTMORLAND, Calif. -- When U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) lectured the farmers of the Imperial Valley that they should let some of their fields go dry so their water can be sold to arid San Diego County, it was bound to be a controversial notion.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: enviralists; farming; feinswine; green; landgrab; waterrights
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1 posted on 06/17/2002 6:00:55 PM PDT by brityank
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To: *landgrab; *Green; *Enviralists; farmfriend; marsh2; dixiechick2000; Mama_Bear; poet...
Ping.

IIRC -- Mexico's failure to agree by the cross-border agreements is the primary cause of the shortages.

2 posted on 06/17/2002 6:05:08 PM PDT by brityank
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To: brityank
Feinstein, being the bureaucratic gasbag, pig-eyed sack of crap that she is,"

Feinstein, being the bureaucratic gasbag, pig-eyed sack of crap that she is,"

Feinstein, being the bureaucratic gasbag, pig-eyed sack of crap that she is,"

Oh Yeah!

3 posted on 06/17/2002 6:13:41 PM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: evolved_rage
HAH!!! I laughed out loud when I read that! I guess that's callin' em like you see em!!
5 posted on 06/17/2002 6:25:35 PM PDT by Arkie2
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To: brityank
What ever happenned to the Democrat call for sustainable development? It looks like San Diego has grown too large for the available resources in the area. I guess the rules don't apply when it comes to a city full of Democratic voters. In such a case it is okay to steal from farmers.

I bet the federal government does step in and force the farmers to sell.

6 posted on 06/17/2002 6:28:37 PM PDT by jadimov
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.....IIRC -- Mexico's failure to agree by the cross-border agreements is the primary cause of the shortages.....

Please explain how Mexican water rights affect San Diego County.


7 posted on 06/17/2002 6:34:30 PM PDT by jadimov
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To: evolved_rage
"Feinstein, being the bureaucratic gasbag, pig-eyed sack of crap that she is,"

Something about this Kuhn guy I really like ....

Can't quite put my finger on it though.......

8 posted on 06/17/2002 6:37:26 PM PDT by usconservative
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To: brityank
...being the bureaucratic elected gasbag, pig-eyed sack of crap that she is...

Truer, yet much harder to believe.

9 posted on 06/17/2002 6:49:00 PM PDT by BikerTrash
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To: brityank
It is time for San Diego to die.
PROBLEMS OF WATER SUPPLY IN SAN DIEGO

San Diego is in a semi-arid area, which presents sizable problems for the city when trying to supply water to its population. Only 10-20% of the water used in the area comes from local rainfall. The rest is imported via the Metropolitan Water District of South California and the San Diego County Water Authority from two sources. Some of the imported water travels over 1,000 miles before being diverted to the area by a 242 mile aqueduct which brings water from the Colorado River from Lake Havasu to the southland. The California Aqueduct is 444 miles long and brings water from the natural rivers and streams of the Sacramento-San Joaquin Daelta, which is largely supplied by reservoirs in the north of Sacramento.

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Only 10%. The people of northern California have been complaining for years about Los Angeles and San Diego taking more than their fair share of water. Now I find that southern California plans on taking all the water from the Colorado River too. When will it stop?
10 posted on 06/17/2002 6:53:00 PM PDT by jadimov
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It looks like San Diego has grown too large for the available resources in the area.

Nuclear desalination is the answer.

11 posted on 06/17/2002 6:53:22 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Having lived in Sacramento for 7 years I did find it somewhat surreal that a semi desert grew----Rice. A crop suited for tropical marshes ( like theentire state of Louisiana), and a very low value crop at that. Check out the price of a 50lb sack at Sams Club. to do that they flooded immense fields with irrigation water. At the same time Sacramento residents were told not to wash their cars, serve water in restaurants or water their lawns. The whole reason was free water from the US Army Corps of Engineers. A totally bizarre and beutiful example of the distortions in the market when the guvment tries to help.
12 posted on 06/17/2002 6:59:32 PM PDT by Kozak
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.....Nuclear desalination is the answer.....

Fascinating. Apparently California has been flirting with the idea for several years. I guess it's easier to take it than make it. Nuclear desalination would solve the power problem and the water problem at the same time. They should let the Japanese come in and build a couple. Instead they'll probably just wait until the next drought causes a catastrophe.

13 posted on 06/17/2002 7:21:14 PM PDT by jadimov
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Please explain how Mexican water rights affect San Diego County.

... the All-American Canal, which since 1944 has transported water from the Colorado River westward into California's Imperial Valley, helping turn a desolate and arid wasteland into a $1-billion-a-year farm economy.

The canal's operator, the Imperial Irrigation District, says it will soon begin a project to reline a porous 23-mile section of the canal, converting it from clay to concrete. That would save the vast amounts of water lost to seepage ...

The stakes are high. Seepage totaling as much as 2% of all the water transported from the Colorado River to the Imperial Valley has brought prosperity to the northeast Mexicali Valley, which is what the Imperial Valley is called south of the border. Losing it would create economic, social and environmental problems, Baja officials warn.

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"We are concerned with any possibility of significant reduction of what we receive from the Colorado River," Mexican Foreign Minister Jorge Castaneda said Friday. "That's where we get our water from."

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California officials say that the lining project violates neither the letter nor spirit of the binational water agreement and that asking Southern California not to line the canal so that the water can continue to seep out and aid the Mexicali Valley is asking too much.

For one thing, the irrigation district has paid for the water that Mexican farmers are using, state officials said, according to a formula under the 1944 treaty. The agreement calls for Mexico to receive 1.5 million acre-feet of water, roughly one-third of what California gets.

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U.S. officials note that along with receiving its full allocation under the 1944 treaty, Mexico also receives about 200,000 acre-feet a year because of problems with a storage facility in Imperial County--water that, like the canal seepage, they say belongs to the U.S.

2% loss isn't much, but when you see SD, LA, and the Imperial Valley planting acres of non-native flora that are water intensive for cultivation, the loss of millions of acre/feet per year makes a bad situation worse.
14 posted on 06/17/2002 7:56:34 PM PDT by brityank
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To: brityank
Yeow! This fellow certainly has a way with words.

Is there anywhwere to see more of the article? Are there any more great quotes?
15 posted on 06/17/2002 7:56:37 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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No, the problem is people trying to grow things like sugar cane in a semi-arid region. The taxpayers subsidize the water, then we pay more than the going world price of sugar, just so these farmers can continue to "farm". It's absurd! It would be cheaper for the taxpayers to make them all millionaires and have them stop farming. At least then we wouldn't be paying exorbitant amounts for price supports and tariffs.
16 posted on 06/17/2002 8:02:17 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: hedgetrimmer
See where it says "Source:LA Times" -- click it !!
17 posted on 06/17/2002 8:02:36 PM PDT by brityank
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How about SanDiego build a bunch of de-salination plants (I know it's expensive) and also use some of the tree-hugger's mumbo-jumbo-rain-dance -routine and make some water?

So what if the average water bill in the area goes up 10x the current level to pay for the new water source - that's the cost of living there.

18 posted on 06/17/2002 9:05:38 PM PDT by TheBattman
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To: brityank
No, the primary cause is the population explosion in Nevada, Arizona and Calif. Plus everyone has a rye lawn. They do not even have the sense to plant Bermuda grass anymore. Not the best lawn but tolerates drought well.
19 posted on 06/17/2002 9:18:45 PM PDT by willyone
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San Diego is the only large area that Bush carried. Lots of military and DOD. Learn some facts before you shoot your stupid anti Calif. mouth off.
20 posted on 06/17/2002 9:20:35 PM PDT by willyone
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