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This sucks. This judge either is an idiot, doesn't care about the law, or both.

The preemption act of 1990 says that gun control laws are a STATE issue. Cities can not have stricter gun laws than the state.

And this damn judge already made his mind up before it started from what we've seen here.

We ARE APPEALING this, and we SHOULD win.

Lastly, anyone in Oakland County - PLEASE vote against Judge McDonald.

1 posted on 06/12/2002 10:47:06 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
Don't just vote against Judge McDonald - out him!

Do what scares any judge even thinking of following in his footsteps most - investigate Judge McDonald's "past" at your county courthouse (for messy divorces, paternity suits, "love children," DUIs, drug problems, or tax liens), and then blab your findings all over local talk radio and the Internet!

There is nothing a judge fears more than that his kid will hear about Daddy's dope problem or that his new wife will learn that he beat his last wife from talk radio or from classmates.

Larryflynt the guy.

Scandals of antigun politicians - with how-to guide to "outing!"

2 posted on 06/12/2002 10:55:34 PM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: bang_list ; Jerrybob ; Chemist_Geek ; historian1944 ; Redbob ; technochick99 ; lazamataz
I can't believe this. I thought this was an open and shut case.

On to the Appeals Court.

3 posted on 06/12/2002 10:57:03 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
"This judge either is an idiot, doesn't care about the law, or both."

Text of the Second Amendment
"A well regulated Militia
being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Anyone who actually reads AND understands the 2nd Amendment
will see that there is no constitutional authority for any type of gun registration
and *there is no need for anyone to have to apply for a license to carry a gun.
*NOTE Vermont is the only state that understands this!
Any political party, politician, judge (etc), organization or individual who trys to convince you that:
1) you must register a firearm
2) you must pass a background check
3) you must wait (x) amount of days before you can get your firearm
4) you need to have a license to carry a gun
is either uneducated about OUR rights as citizens
OR is actively working to undermine OUR country.

How Did the Founders Understand the Second Amendment?

4 posted on 06/12/2002 11:05:52 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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5 posted on 06/12/2002 11:44:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Dan from Michigan
Sounds like this judge got imported from Kalifornia.

Any chance that he himself packs a pistol? That would be an interesting bit to pass around...


7 posted on 06/13/2002 4:22:32 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Dan from Michigan
Wouldn't this be like the City of Ferndale saying you can't drive in their city because a local law trumps a State Driver's license?
8 posted on 06/13/2002 6:20:03 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: Dan from Michigan
and the judge had a written opinion and the dismissal order already prepared this morning before the arguments were even presented

Dan, do you think that the opinion, and MCRGO's written arguments, will be available on the Web?

I have to re-check with the office; I never received the alert e-mail. I found out about the dismissal here.

10 posted on 06/13/2002 6:53:02 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: Dan from Michigan
The right to carry a firearm is inalienable on your private property, or on public property. The only place you can be denied is on someone elses private property or while incarcerated for a crime.
12 posted on 06/13/2002 7:30:31 AM PDT by borntodiefree
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To: bang_list
FREE PRESS STORY

Ferndale gun ban stands

But buildings may not stay weapon-free for long
June 13, 2002

BY BILL LAITNER
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

A judge's ruling upholding Ferndale's right to ban handguns from city buildings had the city's leaders jubilant Wednesday.

The ruling by Oakland Circuit Judge John McDonald could help similar ordinances pass in other cities such as Livonia and Novi, which have considered passing their own versions.

But lawyers for a gun-rights group that filed suit against Ferndale last year said they'd appeal the ruling in Oakland County Circuit Court. And a ruling handed down by the U.S. Supreme Court this week could strengthen their case.

"You'd better believe we'll appeal," said Ross Dykman, a lawyer who heads the Lansing-based Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Ownership, an affiliate of the National Rifle Association.

"We have state residents licensed by Michigan to carry concealed firearms and Ferndale's saying, 'Well, just not in our buildings.'

"That's unconstitutional and just wrong," Dykman said.

But according to the state law cited by Karie Boylan, a Livonia lawyer retained by the city, local municipalities "can enact and enforce ordinances and resolutions for the care, protection, control and management" of city-owned buildings.

Michigan's Concealed Pistol Law, which went into effect last year, says a person issued a concealed weapons permit can carry a handgun anywhere in the state except in churches, schools, hospitals, sports arenas, college dormitories and establishments serving alcohol. The day after the law went into effect, Michigan's court system passed an administrative order banning weapons in courtrooms and courthouses.

But nothing protects city workers, who sometimes face irate residents, said Ferndale City Manager Tom Barwin.

"This is a huge victory for home rule, local government and most important, public safety and homeland security. The state cannot preempt us from protecting our employees," Barwin said.

Ferndale City Librarian Mary Trenner said she and other library workers have supported City Hall's attempt to keep guns out.

"I don't think guns should be in places with little children," Trenner said. She said she has shared a concern about patrons bearing arms with library directors in other cities.

But a ruling handed down by the U.S. Supreme Court this week could give new life to opponents of Ferndale's ordinance.

On Monday, the court declined to hear two cases in which the Justice Department had said the right to bear arms applies to more people than those in state militias.

That broader view of the Second Amendment, expressed earlier by U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, has been denounced by gun-control advocates and praised by the National Rifle Association. If future court decisions support the broader view, future attempts at gun control could be stymied, some advocates have said. The Michigan United Conservation Clubs, which represents more than 80,000 sports enthusiasts, is likely to become a party to the appeal of the lawsuit against Ferndale, said Sam Washington, its executive director.

Washington said Wednesday that the demands for better homeland security make it more important that people be allowed to carry guns in more places.

21 posted on 06/13/2002 9:02:18 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
It will be overturned on appeal. The judge obviously sided with the gun banners from the outset and didn't follow the law. Well this is one act that to cite a former President, "will not stand."
26 posted on 06/13/2002 2:56:25 PM PDT by goldstategop
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27 posted on 06/13/2002 7:02:24 PM PDT by WIMom
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