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Two senators questioning detention without charges [Bush-hater, John McCain, at it again]
Miami Herald Online ^ | Wednesday, June 12, 2002 | BY JAMES KUHNHENN AND CASSIO FURTADO

Posted on 06/12/2002 4:21:35 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

WASHINGTON - Two top Republic senators are questioning why terrorist suspect Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen, is being detained outside the criminal justice system without charges.

''There is going to be a lot of public concern about how you treat a United States citizen,'' said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., a former prosecutor and a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. ``I think that guy's got to be kept in detention, but I think the definition is a congressional matter.''

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., added that ``the attorney general has to come up with a rationale for why they're doing this. They've got to make their case.''

Meanwhile, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said during a visit to Qatar Tuesday that the administration is in no hurry to bring Padilla -- accused of helping to plan a ''dirty bomb'' attack in the United States -- to justice.

''Our interest, really, in this case, is not law enforcement. It is not punishment,'' Rumsfeld said. ``Because he was a terrorist, or working with terrorists, our interest at the moment is to try to find out everything he knows so hopefully we can stop other terrorist acts.''

Padilla, 31, is confined indefinitely in a military brig in Charleston, S.C., as a ''military combatant,'' which means he can be detained for an unspecified period without facing trial.

Padilla's attorney complained on Tuesday that detention is punitive by its nature and said the military was holding him unconstitutionally.

''My client is a citizen,'' Donna R. Newman said outside federal court in New York where she had filed a writ of habeas corpus, which would require Padilla to be brought to court.

''He still has constitutional rights -- the right to counsel, the right to be charged by a grand jury. They have not charged him,'' Newman said.

Sen. Specter called Tuesday for congressional hearings, arguing that the right to set up military tribunals rests with Congress.

Other lawmakers, including liberal Democrat Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, sided with the administration.

''If you aid and abet the enemy, whether you are a citizen or not, you're not entitled to the right of due process,'' Schumer said.

Padilla's military custody stands in sharp contrast to the manner in which the administration handled terrorism suspect Zacarias Moussaoui, a French citizen, and John Walker Lindh, the American Taliban apprehended in Afghanistan.

Both now face criminal charges in federal court. Padilla, arrested in Chicago on May 8, was detained as a material witness for a grand jury investigation until he was handed over to the Pentagon.

''Lindh has been charged under criminal provisions,'' Specter said. ``So you really wonder what the differences are between Lindh and this guy.''

Senior government officials have said that Padilla discussed the bomb plot with al Qaeda leaders in Pakistan and Afghanistan, among them Abu Zubaydah, the aide to Osama bin Laden who was captured in Pakistan in March, and who later told U.S. officials about the bomb plan. It is believed that Padilla met with Zubaydah as recently as March, just before Zubaydah was captured.

U.S. officials said another al Qaeda associate involved in the alleged plan is being held by Pakistani authorities.

They said the man, who has not been publicly identified but is from an Arab country in the Middle East, is being interrogated by U.S. authorities at an undisclosed location. There were conflicting reports as to whether Pakistan had handed the suspect over to U.S. authorities.

The second suspect traveled with Padilla to eastern Afghanistan last fall to meet Zubaydah and later accompanied Padilla to secret meetings with other senior al Qaeda leaders inside Pakistan to discuss the ''dirty bomb'' proposal as well as potential attacks against hotels, gas stations and other targets, the official said.

One of the most urgent aspects of the investigation is whether Padilla had other accomplices, particularly in the United States.

''He clearly had associates, and one of the things we want to ask him about is who those associates were and how we can track them down,'' Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said on CBS's Early Show.

One law-enforcement official Tuesday cautioned that no specific target city or mode of carrying out the bombing had been determined. The official said it was not clear whether al Qaeda's leaders had fully embraced Padilla or the plan, which he had proposed to them.

''There is no indication he had the means to do it or was given the authority to do it,'' the official said.

Neither a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office nor Newman would comment on the grand jury investigation of Padilla.

But officials said he had not offered any information of value.

''He was not forthcoming,'' one official said.

Attorney General John Ashcroft said in the Padilla case that authorities were acting under a 1942 Supreme Court precedent ``which establishes that the military may detain a United States citizen who has joined the enemy or has entered our country to carry out hostile acts.''

Drew Brown of The Herald's Washington Bureau contributed to this report, which was supplemented with information from Herald wire services.


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These are the same idiots who were breaking out in hives only a week ago, complaining that the President 'didn't do enough to prevent 9/11'.

What hypocrites. Wednesday, June 12, 2002

Quote of the Day by Dog Gone

1 posted on 06/12/2002 4:21:36 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks for the link to the quote. Dog gone is right on the money.
2 posted on 06/12/2002 4:24:27 AM PDT by kassie
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To: kassie
You're welcome. Dog Gone is always on the money ;^)
3 posted on 06/12/2002 4:25:37 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
It's no surprise that McCain sides with the terrorists. His relatives weren't killed on 9/11.
4 posted on 06/12/2002 4:29:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: JohnHuang2
These people care more about posturing for publicity,
then about US security.
5 posted on 06/12/2002 4:29:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: JohnHuang2
"Two senators questioning detention without charges"

Simple solution....File some charges against him.

"Spitting on the sidewalk","swearing at the police", "exposing himself in public" etc.. And then "lose" him in the system!

Quite easy as I remember....

6 posted on 06/12/2002 4:35:13 AM PDT by G.Mason
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Hi there John, so how do you think McCain's presidential campaign will go, with Bill Kristol as his spokesman? You seem to be on a later shift today.
7 posted on 06/12/2002 4:35:45 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: JohnHuang2
I also find it amazing that politicians keep the Constitution in a toilet stall most of the time but drag it out to put on an altar when they need it to defend the enemies of our nation.
8 posted on 06/12/2002 4:36:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Good morning, amigo.

...how do you think McCain's presidential campaign will go, with Bill Kristol as his spokesman?

Not very far, regardless of who he selects as campaign 'spokesman'; but any candidate stupid enough to pick Kristol deserves to lose =^)

9 posted on 06/12/2002 4:43:36 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: AppyPappy
Re: #8 -- well said.
10 posted on 06/12/2002 4:44:27 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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[Bush-hater, John McCain, at it again]

McKainiac is the LAST person we need to have any influence on national policy. Remember that fool wanted to send ground troops against the Taliban before we dropped the daisy cutters. And what kind of hypocrit would have the nerve to worry about constitutuional rights after trashing The Constitution with his CFR?

11 posted on 06/12/2002 4:46:40 AM PDT by putupon
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Sen. John McCain, R(joke)-Ariz., added that ``the attorney general has to come up with a rationale for why they're doing this. They've got to make their case.''

Oh?

Padilla, 31, is confined indefinitely in a military brig in Charleston, S.C., as a ''military combatant,'' which means he can be detained for an unspecified period without facing trial.

Sounds like "a rationale" to me, McCain.

12 posted on 06/12/2002 4:47:47 AM PDT by scan58
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I'm not a constitutional or legal expert, but if RINO's and other social leftists think we can win the war against terrorism in a politicaly correct manner then we are doomed.

The President is right. Padilla is a "bad guy" and needs to be "detained" in order to protect innocent civilians and to learn what he knows about al-Qaida operators in America.

13 posted on 06/12/2002 4:51:19 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: putupon
Exactly...and weren't these the drooling morons belly-aching that Bush didn't do enough to prevent 9/11?
14 posted on 06/12/2002 4:51:20 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Re: 13 -- My sentiments exactly.
15 posted on 06/12/2002 4:52:14 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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``I think that guy's got to be kept in detention, but I think the definition is a congressional matter.''

Bring it up for a vote, Arlen. Sponsor the bill. Put your name on it.

16 posted on 06/12/2002 4:56:20 AM PDT by angkor
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To: scan58
It sounds like these two rinos were wanting some air time.
17 posted on 06/12/2002 4:59:03 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: JohnHuang2
Good morning! I see McCain is poking his head up out of his foxhole again, hoping to lead yet another charge against the President.

One would think he would have learned his lesson by now.


18 posted on 06/12/2002 4:59:32 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: angkor
And, Arlen . . . put it up for your beloved SCOTTISH vote!
19 posted on 06/12/2002 5:01:01 AM PDT by Galtoid
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To: Diogenesis
You are exactly right.

No matter the crisis, they are always there, second guessing and utilizing the photo-op.

20 posted on 06/12/2002 5:02:58 AM PDT by jos65
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