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To: thinktwice
False, (another questionable twist on your part) those packs spoken of by Ayn Rand were tribal, criminal, governmental or religious in nature.

Still reasoning of men. They reasoned those packs.

Any atheist would challenge you on that; but ... according to you, reason has no authority ... how can you now claim that reason is needed to understand anything?

Reason does not need authority to come to a conclusion. It WOULD need authority to make someone else act on that conclusion.

You seem to be inferring that the U.S. Constitution is an inspired product of God.

No, it is the reasoning of man to find the best form of Government to preserve the Endowed rights of man. It is built on the foundation of inalienable rights endowed by the Creator as the Founders stated. Were the Founders inspired by God? I think we can find just that stated in writings from many of these great men.

The fascist aligned themselves not only against the Jews but more against what the Jews contributed to Western civilization. A transcendent God, who reveals a transcendent moral law, was anathema to the fascist. Such transcendence, they argued, alienates human beings from nature and from themselves.

Much of what you say is right along line the philosophy of the Fascist.

1,536 posted on 07/06/2002 8:45:22 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: CyberCowboy777
1. Still reasoning of men. They reasoned those packs.

"There is no such thing as a collective mind." -- Basically from Ayn Rand.

2. Reason does not need authority to come to a conclusion. It WOULD need authority to make someone else act on that conclusion.

Statist cults and nations use pointed guns to enforce their "reasoned conclusion" authority.

3. You wrote ... If our inalienable rights and thus our Constitution are merely products of men’s reason they cannot be binding to any man.

To which I responded ... "You seem to be inferring that the U.S. Constitution is an inspired product of God."

To which you responded ... No, it is the reasoning of man to find the best form of Government to preserve the Endowed rights of man. It is built on the foundation of inalienable rights endowed by the Creator as the Founders stated. Were the Founders inspired by God? I think we can find just that stated in writings from many of these great men.

You actually are, in a way, claiming that the U. S. Constitution is an inspired product of God.

Have we now a new chapter for the Bible?

4. The fascist aligned themselves not only against the Jews but more against what the Jews contributed to Western civilization

Nice try, but ... You didn't know that Ayn Rand was Jewish? Her father was a merchant in St. Petersburg, Russia; and her real name was Alice Rosenbaum.

5. Much of what you say is right along line the philosophy of the Fascist.

I am an anti-communist, anti-fascist, capitalist American that knows what a fascist is, and you can take your fraudulent definition for fascist and ... Well, you know.

1,539 posted on 07/06/2002 10:26:28 PM PDT by thinktwice
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