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To: thinktwice
"God didn't write America's founding documants -- men did"

No kidding? LOL you got to be kidding me with this.

As your quote from Ayn Rand said, no pack of men can rule man. These documents must have some authority to legitimize them, since no mans reason can have authority over another man the source of authority must come from outside man. That authority comes through the authorship of the Creator

Our Founders took the in-alienable rights endowed by the Creator understanding the authority and reasoned a form of Government to allow a civilization that preserved these rights. The only way you can demand these rights is if the come from something outside man.

You can deny this, but you are using circular logic to do so. Thankfully out Founders did understand this simple and complete concept.

If you really think another mans reason can form a rule of law you must obey, you would be very happy in China. They reasoned a form of government that they feel is best for men. They deny that in-alienable rights are anything more than what the ruler decides is right.

1,522 posted on 07/06/2002 12:51:23 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: CyberCowboy777
As your quote from Ayn Rand said, no pack of men can rule man.

That Ayn Rand sentence, quoted in post 1508, reads ...Reason is the most selfish human faculty: it has to be used in and by a man's own mind, and it's product -- truth -- makes him inflexible, intransigent, impervious to the power of any pack or ruler.

So your lying twist of words is exposed. It is an individual's ability to know truth through reason that prevents him from being ruled by those like you and your religious pack, whatever that religion might be.

Consider also that you have inferred that America's founding fathers -- while locking down individual freedom within the U.S. Constitution -- were some sort of religious tribal "pack" attempting to rule men.

Evil? Look homeward angel.

1,525 posted on 07/06/2002 8:47:28 AM PDT by thinktwice
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To: CyberCowboy777
If you really think another mans reason can form a rule of law you must obey, you would be very happy in China.

Law is frequently perverted, even in the United States; and the only non-violent technique humans have to fight perverted law involves truth derived from reason, NOT "truth" revealed from "devine authority."

1,527 posted on 07/06/2002 9:12:47 AM PDT by thinktwice
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