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To: Bubba_Leroy; Eggs Ackley
Only a very disturbed person would commit murder because they saw it on scream and such a person will eventually commit murder anyway. I'm surprised anyone who calls themselves conservative would believe crap like violent movies and videogames cause violence. Thats soccer mom BS.
6 posted on 06/09/2002 1:25:43 PM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
Only a very disturbed person would commit murder because they saw it on scream and such a person will eventually commit murder anyway. I'm surprised anyone who calls themselves conservative would believe crap like violent movies and videogames cause violence. Thats soccer mom BS.

First of all, I'm NOT a mom, and I couldn't care less about soccer. And it's NOT B.S. From the article:
he had pulled out the Scream mask from his shoulder bag just before he started stabbing her.

This seems to be an indication that the teenager, Julien, was INDEED influenced by the film. Sure, maybe he had an innate propensity for murder, and maybe it WOULD have shown up later, but in this case, his fascination with the film cost a young woman her life. Even if his propensity for murder DID emerge later in life, without that film, THAT particular young lady would still be alive.

I'm trying to be polite and diplomatic here, despite the fact that your comment was rather rude and caustic, stating that a true conservative could not believe that film violence can be influential to causing violence. You're painting with a mighty broad brush stroke here.

11 posted on 06/09/2002 2:07:32 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: weikel
You see, the movie "made them do it." Before we had movies, the dime novels about gangsters and gunslingers "made them do it." In fact, if you go all the way back to Cain, the devil "made him do it." I know that you see where that kind of thinking leads, but I also realize that others don't --
    Nobody's responsible for his choices.
    We're all just programmable automatons.
    Therefore nobody can be punished for crime...
    And the state alone should make our choices for us.

Right out of the Marxist playbook.

15 posted on 06/09/2002 3:28:38 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: weikel
"I'm surprised anyone who calls themselves conservative would believe crap like violent movies and video games cause violence. That's soccer mom BS."

No, that's not "soccer mom BS", but the traditional conservative belief that we can and should protect our kids from that which would harm them.

I for one, do not embrace the notion that children have constitutional rights. That is, the right to expression, firearms, vote, drink, etc. They are a "Protected Class", and as such are ENTITLED to be fed, clothed, housed , and educated until they are adults, at which time they are ready to assume the full rights and responsibilities that the constitution protects.

The idea that those under 18 have "rights" to view such movies as "Basketball Diaries" I find absurd and is one reason why our schools and society can't find its moral a$$ with both hands. Children have (or should have) protection, adults have "rights". Conservatives are NOT LIBERTINES!

16 posted on 06/09/2002 3:33:21 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: weikel
Only a very disturbed person would commit murder because they saw it on scream and such a person will eventually commit murder anyway.

I'm wondering when we will find out that this disturbed teen was on psychiatric medication at the time

21 posted on 06/09/2002 4:08:28 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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