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Damon Van Dam Testifies Tearfully, Fends Off Lifestyle Attack:Day 3 of Westerfield Trial
CourtTV ^ | June 6, 2002 | CourtTV

Posted on 06/05/2002 11:36:24 PM PDT by FresnoDA

DAY 3: Westerfield On Trial



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: vandam; westerfield
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To: bvw
To your view, what evidence so far presented establishes beyond any reasonable doubt that DW killed Danielle?

My point is that instead of relying on his client's innocence, he's attacking the parents of the victim for an unrelated lifestyle. If these parents had had several friends over for a night of gin rummy, nobody would be even questioning them.

801 posted on 06/07/2002 12:41:55 AM PDT by Quila
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To: Quila
If these parents had had several friends over for a night of gin rummy, nobody would be even questioning them.

I disagree. I think you may be missing the point. It is not the pot, the sex. It is the LIES,LIES, LIES, CHANGING STORIES, COVERUPS, LIES, and LIES AGAIN. LYING RIGHT IN COURT TODAY, SEVERAL TIMES AND BEING CAUGHT AT IT.

If you go back on these posts, you find that the VD's said the dog could not bark. (had it vocal cords cut). Then said it could bark but didn't learn to. Then Damon admitted it barked. Then, from what I heard, the tape of the 911 call, you can hear the dog barking.

People that repeatedly lie probably are covering up the truth.

They both now state "When we realized the importance of the situation, we told the police everything they wanted to know". The IMPORTANCE OF THE SITUATION. HELLO!!!!!! YOUR DAUGHTER IS MISSING AND COULD BE DEAD. HOW IMPORTANT DOES SOMETHING HAVE TO BE TO GET YOU TO TELL THE TRUTH? They lied about the drugs and sex SIX times, and for I don't remember exactly how many hours.

IT IS ABOUT THE LIES, nothing else.

Quila, nice to converse with you. Please don't take any of this as yelling at you or attacking you. I am explaining what I have seen, and the yelling (all caps) is directed to the VD's.

Nice to have someone else up late to talk to.

802 posted on 06/07/2002 1:02:30 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
I disagree. I think you may be missing the point. It is not the pot, the sex. It is the LIES,LIES, LIES, CHANGING STORIES, COVERUPS, LIES, and LIES AGAIN. LYING RIGHT IN COURT TODAY, SEVERAL TIMES AND BEING CAUGHT AT IT.

Reading this reminded me of when Clinton was on the stand.
You'd never know which version, if any, is correct. Since their lies keep changing, what is the actual truth? Has it been told yet? Or is it still unknown. What are they still hiding?

I can understand lying right after it happened. But, now it's trial-time. They KNOW this is serious. Why are they STILL lying?
803 posted on 06/07/2002 1:10:47 AM PDT by sbnsd
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To: sbnsd
I agree. And they continual lying and coverups make it so hard to follow a track. That is why people on FR (me too) have been going all over the place with possibilities for the culprit.

It gets so ridiculous that many have come to the conclusion that is could be ANYONE BUT WESTERFIELD !

Like many others, If I could see just ONE piece of irrefutable evidence against DW, then I wouldn't be so maligned towards the VD's and associates.

Like I said, I think this trial will be a waste of time unless something comes out that points to the real abductor/killer. If evidence comes out that proves that DW is that A-K, then I will be happy to proclaim to all how wrong I was.

804 posted on 06/07/2002 1:40:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
It gets so ridiculous that many have come to the conclusion that is could be ANYONE BUT WESTERFIELD !

....that IT could be anyone but Westerfield.

805 posted on 06/07/2002 1:42:13 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
IT IS ABOUT THE LIES, nothing else.

I obviously don't know as much about the case as you do, but it seems the lies were to cover up that for which they knew they'd get raked over the coals for: drugs and sex. Or maybe they are still hiding something?

Nice to have someone else up late to talk to.

I'm in a different time zone.

806 posted on 06/07/2002 2:01:13 AM PDT by Quila
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To: Quila
the lies were to cover up that for which they knew they'd get raked over the coals for: drugs and sex.

Well, let me help.

Lies or changing stories about the alarm lights
which doors were found open downstairs
Whether the kids doors were open or closed
whether Brenda went upstairs with Barb the first time
Whether the dog could bark
Whether Brenda danced with DW
Whether Brenda knew DW by name or just by face
While selling GS cookies, whether the kids ran free in DW's house or not
Whether Brenda invited strangers back to her house after Dad's closed
whether the PJ's the grandma had held up for the press were Danielle's or an 'identical' pair kept for the neighbor girl to use
When they left the bar
When they got home
When the partiers left the VD home
When they went to bed

And this is the short list.

807 posted on 06/07/2002 2:13:52 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: sbnsd
Why are they STILL lying?

If you could answer that, you could probably solve the mystery of what happened to Danielle!

808 posted on 06/07/2002 3:23:01 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: twigs,cyncooper
I went back and was reading your discussion of Damon's testimony that he left the blinds open as Danielle's nightlight was 'burnt out'.

Twigs questioned whether Damon would have enough attention to detail to be concerned about whether Danielle had a nightlight or not. Considering he has shown about as much consideration of other people as Bill CLinton, I agree.

I question this aspect of it:
.....1030pm and he leaves her blinds open because her nightlight is burnt out. IT'S DARK!

Now, we must take into consideration the following: Maybe it was a full moon
Maybe they have a big light right outside her window somewhere

Does anyone know if either of these is true. If not, then why leave blinds open when it is pitch black outside ????????

Maybe, as another poster suggested, because he didn't put Danielle to bed, and needed an excuse for why her blinds weren't closed?

809 posted on 06/07/2002 5:20:01 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: FresnoDA
A child was murdered and all you people seem to be concerned about is the swinging lifestyle. Some of you people are actually trying to say the Van Dams deserved to have their child murdered because of their perverted lifestyle. As a parent myself, nobody 'deserves' to have their child murdered regardless of their lifestyle. Some of you people who call yourselves Christians need to wake up and find a little compassion in your hearts and act like Christians.
810 posted on 06/07/2002 5:35:52 AM PDT by Intimidator
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To: Quila
an unrelated lifestyle

Unrelated to what?

811 posted on 06/07/2002 6:12:24 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
Unrelated to what?

Unrelated to the girl's death. Their preoccupation with some "entertainment" at the time may have been a contributing factor as far as negligence, but then they are not on trial for negligence right now. It's only because of the socially unacceptable nature of their "entertainment" that this is all coming out, and the defense is trying to use that to influence the jury against the parents of the girl to take some heat off the accused.

812 posted on 06/07/2002 6:21:40 AM PDT by Quila
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To: Intimidator
Do you fish? When a person fishes, he puts some lure, some bait on his hook. That attracts fish. The fish bite, the fisher hooks them.

Swingers fish, any place they go becomes a lake full of new tasty fish. They bait, they lure, they hook.

But in the swinging lake, some of the fish are man-eaters, they love the fishers, and come after a lure not for the lure but for the person using it.

The van Dam's "lifestyle" could well be the attractive thing that attracted the girls killer (if she was in fact, killed -- that is NOT proven). The "lifestyle" should have been considered in the investigation more -- so it looks to myself and many. And the "lifestyle" MUST be brought before the jury in order to fairly consider it in weighing "reasonable doubt" regarding Westerfield -- "reasonable" includes considering any reasonable alternatives.

813 posted on 06/07/2002 6:27:48 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Quila
See reply 813.
814 posted on 06/07/2002 6:29:34 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Helen
You've certainly hit alot of valid points, IMO.
815 posted on 06/07/2002 6:33:10 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: BARLF
I don't know if these theories have merit, but I will say that early on when Rick Roberts talked about the drugs, I wondered if this might be related to drugs more than pedophilia. Interesting train of thought.
816 posted on 06/07/2002 6:38:41 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: RnMomof7
Thanks so much. He's turned out to be a fine young man, great work ethic, good father and husband but I'm sure this thing has hung over his head for years. He wants to use his experience as a healing place for other male victims of abuse. He's married to a Native Canadian from the Yukon Territory and there is much sexual abuse among young people there. The boys/men never talk about it. He's hoping to help that group. Women can talk about it better than men, I guess. When he was young, you just never suspected that kind of activity, in a rural area like ours, especially. Now it's a different story. When I first heard about it, I had to go to church that evening or the evening after for worship practice, and they prayed with me. The heaviness lifted immediately. It was amazing. God is amazing. I know He will do great things in my family in spite of the traumas of life my children and I suffered. He has a plan!
817 posted on 06/07/2002 6:40:13 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: Intimidator
Howdy...you need to do a bit more reading...before embarassing yourself with such a statement as you just made...Remember, he is a Just God....he must punish sin...sorry...!
818 posted on 06/07/2002 6:40:40 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: mommya
" He even used the names Keith and Rich but was not too sure on which was which. Does anyone remember seeing this."

Good catch! I'll look for some transcripts. Often, they don't keep them for those short little interviews, but maybe we'll luck out? Then again, John Walsh isn't always a real good source--he gets things terribly mucked up, like the time he said that Westerfield had just moved in a couple of months prior--the sort of things that could have been easily checked, and should have been checked.

819 posted on 06/07/2002 6:43:28 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: John Jamieson
According to his ex-brother-in-law, who I know elsewhere, the meandering trip was nothing unusual. It's not like he had to pack up a family. If people he knew weren't in one place, or he didn't like the weather or other conditions for whatever reason, he moved on. Full stop period. Some people do that.
820 posted on 06/07/2002 6:44:10 AM PDT by Jaded
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