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Damon Van Dam Testifies Tearfully, Fends Off Lifestyle Attack:Day 3 of Westerfield Trial
CourtTV ^ | June 6, 2002 | CourtTV

Posted on 06/05/2002 11:36:24 PM PDT by FresnoDA

DAY 3: Westerfield On Trial



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: vandam; westerfield
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To: John Jamieson
LOL, that is my exact words to my husband!

I didn't get to watch much of the hearing today but I loved it when Feldman was questioning PDvD.

781 posted on 06/06/2002 9:16:20 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: Felicity
Can any of you hear a dog bark and then someone whistle in the background of Brenda's 911 call? I thought the dog couldn't bark. You can go to sandiegochannel.com then to the summary of day three to listen to the call.
782 posted on 06/06/2002 9:17:53 PM PDT by Felicity
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
My Court TV goes off right after K. Crier comes on duty so I miss some of the announcements so I have no idea who's up for tomorrow. Last I heard Brenda broke down and Feldman called a recess.
783 posted on 06/06/2002 9:21:36 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: John Jamieson
I feel sorry for the prosecution in some ways. Normally I am on their side and I may end up there again before this is over.

It must be absolutely awful to try a murder case and have these wingdings as your focus. Is it possible for all jurors (just regular people) to not be more caught up in the sensationalism of the sleaze than anything else?

I was telling my husband tonight that one of the icky things about this case is that we have to sit and watch the "good guys" defending and befriending these very unsavory people.

I bet it is hard for some of them. Even if they are convinced that DW did it, they know that the opportunity was most likely linked strongly to the parental behavior.

784 posted on 06/06/2002 9:23:47 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: BARLF
Yikes........well there is no session on Fridays. Mudd said through the duration, court would convene M-TH and no later than 4:30 pm. So it will be Monday.

I believe Feldman is finished with Brenda.......for now that is.

785 posted on 06/06/2002 9:26:34 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Yikes here ,too.......I forgot Fridays off. I bet the jurors didn't forget! LOL
786 posted on 06/06/2002 9:30:10 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: mommya
If Danielle was not sexually assaulted - why would she have been left naked? I'm serious - are there any reasons to leave a body naked but still wearing identifiable jewelry? I'm thinking something along the lines of sending a message to someone - but what would that message be?

Wasn't it originally said that Danielle went to sleep in a pair of pj's....then grandma showed those same pj's to the media....then it was claimed that the "2nd" pair belonged to a another child? That stuck me as odd.

787 posted on 06/06/2002 9:37:07 PM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: mommya
If Danielle was not sexually assaulted - why would she have been left naked? I'm serious - are there any reasons to leave a body naked but still wearing identifiable jewelry? I'm thinking something along the lines of sending a message to someone - but what would that message be?

I have no real idea, but one reason to leave a naked body that wasn't sexually assaulted would be to get rid of clothing that was covered with blood (DW's not Danielle's since she had no open wounds) or other DNA evidence (hair, dead skin cells, etc).
He could get rid of her clothes without sexually assaulting her. Conversely, he can also assault her and leave all of her clothes on. Since the PJs would have the evidence, I can't imagine he'd wash the little pajamas. Better they be burned or somehow destroyed.
788 posted on 06/06/2002 9:43:57 PM PDT by sbnsd
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To: All
I hope I'm not getting here just as everybody else is leaving for the night.

What is this about a blue blanket? I thought I heard the first searcher who testified say something about looking for a blue blanket but then I didn't hear anymore about it. Now another poster has mentioned it.... sorry, can't remember who... wanted to wait until I caught up on reading before posting. Anyone know what that's about?

789 posted on 06/06/2002 9:45:06 PM PDT by Karson
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
If the Vds were released subject to recall, they won't be allowed to sit in on the trial. Feldman wants that. Feldman is going to try to make Westerfield a better person than either of the VDs. If he can get over the forensic evidence too, Westerfield walks.
790 posted on 06/06/2002 9:48:20 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: Karson
Come to thread two. Link above.
791 posted on 06/06/2002 9:49:25 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: Karson
Hey there. I can't answer your question, but I can invite you over here.
792 posted on 06/06/2002 9:54:59 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: John Jamieson
If he can get over the forensic evidence too, Westerfield walks.

I'm still giving him the benefit of being innocent until proven guilty.

But if it somehow ends up 99.999999% sure that he did do it, it will be a sad day if he goes free because of these horrid parents.

793 posted on 06/06/2002 10:01:55 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: BunnySlippers
There seems to be a feeling that if you think Westerfield is guilty then you must be approving of swinging.

The converse is also true, sad to say ... if you are not convinced DW did it, you must be a sanctimonious Puritan railing against the VD lifestyle.

Both of these presumptions are equally false, and believe it or not, most here don't fall into those categories. I tend to think most of us on these threads are waiting for all the evidence, and want justice to be done fairly. We just differ on which 'horse' we think is going to cross the line first.

794 posted on 06/06/2002 10:06:03 PM PDT by fnord
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
VD Trial Recap Thread...join the analysis....FresnoDA

Westerfield On Trial (WEEK 1 Recap): Brenda Van Dam, Dad's Bar


795 posted on 06/06/2002 10:18:42 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Is there anyway we can confirm what was on the slide show during opening statements?

If you are referring obliquely to the reported 'under age rape anime', I would presume that since the prosecutor can say anything, true or false (remember this is not evidence), it would be OK to show anything, again true or false.

maybe a lwayer can inform us more in depth. btw, I was not aware that slide shows and mutlimedia stuff was allowable during opening arguments. I thought, from past experience, that the arguments were strictly verbal. The pics and stuff is all new to me, so I don't know what is allowable or not, or where the 'truth line' is drawn.

796 posted on 06/06/2002 10:18:42 PM PDT by fnord
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To: Helen
One is that neither Brenda nor Damon talk about "our" house/bedroom/children. It is always "my" house/bedroom/children.

Good point! I was struck by Damon's testimony about withholding pot and sex info from the cops - "I didn't want to get in any trouble" (owtte). No concern for his friends, not even worried about his wife, just 'I' want to stay out of trouble. I bet that is a very cold household nowadays.

797 posted on 06/06/2002 10:31:24 PM PDT by fnord
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~,all
I have been home sleeping all day. Got off work at 1230pm and slept until 10pm. I have been reading and catching up on the thread.

If the trend continues, Next weeks thread will have more PA's (personal attacks) than information about the trial.

That would be a pity.

The best way is, as has been suggested, to LET GO. It is known as FORGIVENESS. You do not do FORGIVENESS for the benefit of others. You do it for YOURSELF. If you don't it will eat you up inside.

Anger is an emotion that works feeds both sides and keeps growing exponentially. Hard to stop once it gets going.

Maybe, we pick up an emotional frenzy from the trial. Whether you want to b*tch slap the VD's or you are totally convinced DW is a child-killer, you can't help but build up some kind of anger of the death of an innocent child.

Unfortunately, that anger has to get out, go somewhere, and it is easy to let it out on others.

Remember this. If we could all get together and meet, we would probably find many things to learn about each other and like. It is too easy to be impersonal when you don't have to look the other person in the eye, and see their hurt when attacked.

BEST OFFER: DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU. (and remember, they will do in kind, even if it's bad).

798 posted on 06/06/2002 10:36:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
If who is 99.999999% sure? The only opinion that counts is the jury's. If they're that sure, he'll fry, but something tells me Westerfield's going to testify. He's what he'll say:

1. The whole neighborhood knew these people were swingers and Brenda was bi.

2. Yes, I have a large collection of nude pictures of adult woman. I'm a single, heterosexual male. Any pictures of kids in there came from downloading collections from others. I'm not into kids.

3. Brenda did me once or twice in the RV just for fun, that's why the VD dna is in there.

4. I was interested in Barbara, but not that interested, I don't have to beg.

5. I know my driving the RV all over that weekend looked weird, but it's really not, I was "campground hopping" looking for some of the hot women, I'd found there before. I was going places where there are lots of people. I didn't know anyone was looking for me.

6. I didn't kill Danielle, or dump her body and I don't know who did.

799 posted on 06/06/2002 11:08:44 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: FresnoDA
Happy Birthday, Dylan 6 yrs old.
800 posted on 06/06/2002 11:52:41 PM PDT by let freedom sing
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