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U.S. had agents inside al-Qaeda
USA Today ^ | 6/03/02 | John Diamond

Posted on 06/03/2002 11:53:17 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:39:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON

(Excerpt) Read more at usatoday.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: espionagelist; terrorwar
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1 posted on 06/03/2002 11:53:17 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: *Espionage_list;*TerrorWar

2 posted on 06/04/2002 12:02:56 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: kattracks
LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIP D*** IT!!!! Doesn't the press get it? There goes our agents' cover, if they're still inside Al Qaeda.
3 posted on 06/04/2002 12:08:17 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: kattracks
I'm sure that those agents are exited to be mentioned in the press.
4 posted on 06/04/2002 12:10:22 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Pyro7480
Looks like the muck-mucks in the FBI and CIA are more interested in covering themselves by leaks blaming each other than what happens to agents in the field. This should do wonders for moral.
5 posted on 06/04/2002 12:13:21 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Indeed...
6 posted on 06/04/2002 12:16:15 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Pyro7480
One of the reasons why we got where we are now is because several FBI agents were indicted for going after the Weather Underground in the 1970s. Over 50 wondered if they would be indicted. Then there were the Church hearings which portrayed the CIA as a criminal organization. Add in Ron Dellums' (D-CA) boast that he was going to dismantle our intelligence agences "nail by nail, brick by brick" and its a wonder the FBI and CIA have accomplished anything.

Imagine what agents are thinking and saying about these congressional hearings.

7 posted on 06/04/2002 12:31:06 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Talk about a cat fight!
8 posted on 06/04/2002 12:38:09 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: kattracks
There isn't in the press, on this board or even in the Mosad that's doing what the CIA does.

We see reports of this or that and they are just hit pieces. The CIA is doing 10,000 times what we imagine.

As for the FBI I wouldn't wish them to go after anyone I hate on this earth. They are very professional and have a very hard entry screening requirement. They've had mistakes that were big like Waco and ruby Ridge but these were mainly management decisions at the top !

The crap in the press are reporters getting a few bits of info and then putting a puzzle together that ends up the way they want.

I would bet the CIA and FBI are 95% effective and they will never be 100% accurate.

They can't because of the human factor !

9 posted on 06/04/2002 12:38:56 AM PDT by america-rules
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To: LarryLied
Yes, history won't look on the Dems in Congress in too good a light on all this 9-11 pinger pointing. They will be the ones history blames in the end !
10 posted on 06/04/2002 12:42:21 AM PDT by america-rules
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To: america-rules
Who are you really?
11 posted on 06/04/2002 12:50:39 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: america-rules
What did the media know, and when did it know it?

Listening to the press brouhaha over the CIA's and FBI's 9/11 'failures', you'd get two distinct impressions:

1) Law enforcement, broadly speaking, had all the information necessary on September 10 to preempt September 11.
2) That the media -- shocked, stunned and amazed, of course (wink, wink) -- is only now uncovering this mother-of-all scandals.

Both -- 1 & 2 -- are absolute bunk.

"The 9/11 Terrorists the CIA Should Have Caught", screams Newsweek's latest cover (Extra! Extra! Read all about it -- now available at newstands near you! Get your copy today!)

Two years before the 9/11 attacks, "the CIA tracked two suspected terrorists", Newsweek breathlessly declares, "then looked on as they re-entered America and began preparations for September 11. Inside what may be the worst intelligence failure of all."

Wait a second: If CIA, a whopping two years before 9/11, was tracking two of the hijackers, how is that "the worst intelligence failure of all"? (The 'report' is bejeweled with gems like 'the CIA already knew', 'the CIA had linked', 'the CIA tracked', 'the CIA...certainly knew it', 'agents discovered', 'U.S. intelligence began listening...on the telephone line', 'U.S. intelligence picked up repeated signals', 'intercepted conversations' -- all, inexplicably, in the context of a massive 'intelligence failure').

Go figure.

Granted Newsweek "reporters" aren't the sharpest pencils in the box, but this is getting ridiculous. It gives new meaning to the phrase *Intelligence failure*. Among 'reporters', brilliance has never been a strong suit, apparently.

That CIA declined to notify INS and FBI when Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar had re-entered the country reflects, not a 'failure' of intelligence, but traditional, inter-agency rivalry.

Among federal bureaucracies, turf wars and hoarding secrets are as old as the agencies themselves; only the profiteer editors at Newsweek -- who thrive on sensationalism -- would find anything stunning or earth-shaking about it.

Moreover, we're led to believe all of this is really new 'news', don'tchaknow -- part of a massive 'cover-up', only now being unearthed, thanks to the unflagging and assiduous folks at Newsweek magazine.

The editors must be laughing all the way to the bank. Speaking of profiting from 9/11.........

But is this stuff really new news, as Newsweek would have us all think?

Reed Irvine, media watchdog and Chairman of Accuracy in Media speaking at the group's annual conference, said the following (according to a summation of his remarks in the "AIM Report"):

"The FBI had not demonstrated great skill in finding possible Middle Eastern terrorists". He [Mr. Irvine] cited a high priority request from C.I.A. last August that two Arabs, Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, be placed on a special watch list. Almidhar had been videotaped conferring with a bin Laden agent in Malaysia in Dec. 2000 or Jan. 2001. He and Alhazmi arrived in Los Angeles on the same plane on Jan. 15, 2001. It took over 20 months for the C.I.A. to ask that they be watched. They lived together at several different addresses in San Diego while going to a flying school. Alhazmi was listed in the 2001 San Diego phone book. The F.B.I. was unable to locate either one in the two weeks prior to Sept. 11."

Oops...when exactly did Mr. Irvine say this?

After the Newsweek "bombshell", of course -- right?

Wrong.

Mr. Irvine made these remarks back, way back, in October. Indeed, New York Times scribes David Johnston and Philip Shenon were well on to this story 7 months ago, filing a special report in the paper's October 6, 2001 edition.

The thrust of Newsweek's supposed 'bombshell' "revelations", to wit, the meeting in Malaysia in January 2000, the attendance of hijackers Alhazmi and Almihdhar, the C.I.A.'s tracking their whereabouts and the agency's belated notification of I.N.S. and other agencies -- all were reported on by Johnston and Shenon back in October.

New "news", eh? Yeah, right.

But could September 11 have been prevented, given what CIA and FBI were working with on September 10?

After hyping their story to death to sell magazines, even Newsweek meekly admits -- at the very end of their "report", of course -- it's a stretch to think so:

"But would even that have been enough? There's no doubt that Alhazmi and Almihdhar could have been stopped from coming into the country if the CIA had shared its information with other agencies. But then two other hijackers could have been sent to take their place. And...it's possible that agents could have identified all 19 hijackers and still not figure out what they were up to. That, one former FBI official suggests, could have led to the cruelest September 11 scenario of all: 'We would have had the FBI watching them get on the plane in Boston and calling Los Angeles', he says. 'Could you pick them up on the other end?'"

So where's the story here, then -- why the media ballyhoo over old news?

I'll tell ya what this tempest in a teapot is about: It's the press's on-going effort to cripple the Bush administration politically, and to profit financially from the tragedy of 9/11. That's what. Nothing more complicated than that.

Despicable isn't strong enough a word for it, however.

But it ain't working; in fact, all attempts, whether by media slugs or political opponents, to weaken or hobble this President have boomeranged -- backfired, big time, and will continue to do so.

Incidentally, the Newsweek "bombshell" is already falling apart with reports late tonight that CIA, in fact, had notified FBI months earlier than the story implied.

So who is to blame for 9/11 -- who bears full responsibility?

Hey, here's a novel idea: The terrorists, that's who.

Anyway, that's....

My two cents....
"JohnHuang2"


12 posted on 06/04/2002 1:14:36 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Excellent summary. That being said, I kind of picked up on Bush's statement of the need for gathering more intelligence. I don't know if it is a case now of gathering "more" intelligence but more a case of making sure this intelligence is provided to those who can do something about it. If indeed there is a turf war between the various agencies then perhaps the various agency directors need to address this. Perhaps Bush needs to reconsider Tenet as the CIA director... Tenet was appointed by Clinton and I suspect that Tenet is a master at playing politics but knows nothing about WHY the agency he heads is in the profession of collecting intelligence. This is where the breakdown occurred - the intelligence was there... but wasn't given to those who might have been able to act on it.
13 posted on 06/04/2002 2:35:45 AM PDT by waxhaw
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To: kattracks
"U.S. had agents inside al-Qaeda"

WHY am I reading this? Are they going to print the names, social security numbers and photos of the U.S. agents still inside al-Queda!?

What in the name of God is wrong with these people???

14 posted on 06/04/2002 4:08:10 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia
LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIP D*** IT!!!! Doesn't the press get it? There goes our agents' cover, if they're still inside Al Qaeda

Our Members of Congress are the loose lips

15 posted on 06/04/2002 4:35:44 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: america-rules
The CIA is doing 10,000 times what we imagine

Imagine this: cocktail parties in Paris, agents in allied governments, agents in the U.N., every manner of surveillance in Russia, every new technology that exists.

All of it worthless. If we think they can protect us from more 9/11's we are fools.

16 posted on 06/04/2002 4:42:13 AM PDT by palmer
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To: kattracks
September 11, 2001 – Gen Mahmud of the ISI, friend of Mohammed Atta, advanced him $100,000 is visiting Washington on behalf of the Taliban. He is meeting with the Chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Porter Goss (R), FL and Bob Graham (D), Fl

Now Graham & Goss (ex CIA) are in charge of investigation. Coincidence?

17 posted on 06/04/2002 5:31:04 AM PDT by miamimark
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There is a management consultant buzz phrase: Fix the problem, not the blame.

We have to get over this "who was the blame" garbage. We need to focus on fighting THIS war with THIS technology. In WWI was had to learn to deal with machine guns and gas. In WWII we had to learn to deal with air power and mobile armor. In Vietnam we had to learn to deal with guerilla warfare.

At the start of every conflict you have to toss out the old methods and develop new ones. Have any of these media fools ever read ANY history?

18 posted on 06/04/2002 6:11:25 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: kattracks
"U.S. had agents inside al-Qaeda"

This isn't news......

Any one who doesn't believe that our CIA is "inside" the ruling class of all the countries in the world is kidding themselves.

19 posted on 06/04/2002 6:20:44 AM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: Vermont Lt
We have to get over this "who was the blame" garbage.

Yeah, right, sure. Whatever you say.

Man, the American people are so stupid it makes me want to vomit. Every time this govt. ##### up, the govt. stooges that could have prevented the incident get promoted instead of fired.

Obviously, we have to restrict the number of people who vote in this nation to about 1% of the current levels, leaving individuals like yourself who espouse this sort of lunacy out of the voting booth.

20 posted on 06/04/2002 6:21:35 AM PDT by Kobyashi1942
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